Club Avicularia/Avics

[Christell Erasmus]

They really are beautiful species! I don't think I want to breed in the near future. I am still learning a lot.

 

[Christell Erasmus]

Like I promised. My tarantula cabinet
entomology

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

My second Purpurea sling

My larger Avicularia Purpurea sling

So that's 3 Purpurea slings, different sizes the last being the largest. All are happy and eating.

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

My Avicularia Laeta,also eating and webbed up.

 

[Ceratogyrus]

With tank size, why I dislike that if its too big. In nature you have insects or food sources that are readily available that inhabit the close proximity of the spider. In our setups its not natural, so in the wild they'd have say 1000 insects inhabiting close proximity where we would add say one feeder in proximity. To make it easy I try to use an enclosure that's not too large,look at my reasoning behind this. Its like say putting one pokie in a 100 liter tank compared to another in a 50 won't the one in the 50 find food easier ? Just an example, if I'm wrong in this reasoning I would understand sensible reasons as to why.

Assuming this was in response to me saying that the size of the enclosure is not a problem if it's too big?
Firstly, food sources are not readily available. What the average person feeds their spider in captivity is WAY more than what they would get in the wild. In the winter, they would eat very little if at all for example.
Yes, with a smaller enclosure the spider will find food easier, but instinctively if the spider is not finding food in a 100 liter enclosure close to its hide, it will widen the net and start looking for food elsewhere in the enclosure. So yes, it will find it easier, but the spider will do just ok in a larger enclosure with the same amount of food. If you look at the majority of tarantula pictures of spiders in the wild, there are very few that ever get as fat as what they do in captivity.

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

Assuming this was in response to me saying that the size of the enclosure is not a problem if it's too big?
Firstly, food sources are not readily available. What the average person feeds their spider in captivity is WAY more than what they would get in the wild. In the winter, they would eat very little if at all for example.
Yes, with a smaller enclosure the spider will find food easier, but instinctively if the spider is not finding food in a 100 liter enclosure close to its hide, it will widen the net and start looking for food elsewhere in the enclosure. So yes, it will find it easier, but the spider will do just ok in a larger enclosure with the same amount of food. If you look at the majority of tarantula pictures of spiders in the wild, there are very few that ever get as fat as what they do in captivity.

Sorry to say, I am not swayed at all by the above statement. Maybe someone else would be, but I've used big and now I've adapted. So its working way better, you say food isn't so readily available I disagree since insects are all over and in huge numbers. As for tarantulas in the wild not being as fat as captive bred, I'm sorry that's a bold statement again and up for debate which i feel needs study to confirm that. I am stating here what I have definitely found to be better, when disagreeing at least try the option if you haven't done so then comment findings. To finish this, we all have our own ways, I'm just showing actual things I've stated to be true. Like you've said, different ways for different people ? And I said I am glad for that, and I'd gladly say it again.

http://insected.arizona.edu/manduca/ins_many.html

An interesting general observation of insect density, even though its not an exact indication, it gives a good idea of insect population.

Another interesting note on insect population, and look what is estimated not the amount of insects but species.

http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/thomas.wolosz/howmanysp.htm

 

[Ceratogyrus]

That's fine, you don't have to believe me. But my reasoning is from experience.
All I can say in response is that I have observed tons of local Theraphosids in the wild over the past 20 years and I can assure you that we seriously over feed our spiders in captivity compared to what they would experience in the wild. I have very rarely seen obese tarantulas in the wild unless they were gravid and I have seen lots. The majority of tarantulas in the wild would stay quite close to their hide and would rely on prey to actually walk right past the entrance to their hide/burrow, etc.
Again, I agree with you that a smaller enclosure would definately mean they would find food easier, but it's not necessary.

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

That's fine, you don't have to believe me. But my reasoning is from experience.
All I can say in response is that I have observed tons of local Theraphosids in the wild over the past 20 years and I can assure you that we seriously over feed our spiders in captivity compared to what they would experience in the wild. I have very rarely seen obese tarantulas in the wild unless they were gravid and I have seen lots. The majority of tarantulas in the wild would stay quite close to their hide and would rely on prey to actually walk right past the entrance to their hide/burrow, etc.
Again, I agree with you that a smaller enclosure would definately mean they would find food easier, but it's not necessary.

We agree at least of one thing, different folks different strokes. Also one thing I might add, in all my posts I've stated its worked better for me. Also, I've said try and see what works best never saying no only use my way. That's the difference between me and some, I challenge people to try different ways not limiting them or forcing them. So with this,I am saying you can see my intentions.

 

[entomology]

Very nice christell!!!! I am moved

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

Hi pps
If I do not respond to "certain"people is due to the fact that I cannot repeat myself over and over regarding the same statement hence the beauty of the " ignore" button so if I dnt reply that means I cannot see your comment also a waist of my time and don't see it fit for for a lengthy argument Perused and taken off topic as always. this is a nice forum and I will avoid "idiotic"questions and stick to the point. Ok all said and done now where is those pics he he he

Haha, I agree best way I've done the same.

 

[Christell Erasmus]

lol you guys, if you keep this up you will be ignoring every one on the forum. ( just a joke)

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

lol you guys, if you keep this up you will be ignoring every one on the forum. ( just a joke)

Haha,its just easier that way. At least we know we don't get into trouble,due to outside factors. (Joke mmm maybe not)

 

[Christell Erasmus]

hehe at least you have a sense of humor.

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

hehe at least you have a sense of humor.

That's the only way,also if you've discussed posted views and substantiated your views why post over and over all that remains is a HAHA.

 

[Christell Erasmus]

that is true.... and every one has the right to their own opinion. What works for some might not work for others.

 

[Ceratogyrus]

You think this is possibly an Avic?

 

[entomology]

100% avic as it is evident by looking at it and also obvious and if u you " pay attention to detail" u will notice it's a "molt and not the actual Avic!!

 

[Ceratogyrus]

Its a moult from my Avicularia avicularia female.

 

[Ceratogyrus]

Sorry for all the random pics, going through some old pics on my photobucket account.
Here is the above spider a few moults before I bred her:

 

[Ceratogyrus]

Last random pic of my A.avic
This was just before she dropped.