The threat to the First Amendment.

[Metalman2004]

(Arms List) lol

Not bad, but just like with everything else, Texas has to have our own. Texasguntrader

 

[Rs50matt]

It is possible, but not as easy as it sounds. I have no doubt it does happen, but there’s more to the story than you’d think.

When you buy a gun from a store in any state the store runs your name through a basic background check to make sure you are a felon or anything else major (dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, major mental illness noted by the state, etc.). This can take 10 minutes or 10 days or even longer. There are more details but that’s the basic bit to it.

Problem is, the gov’t has dropped the ball on this and multiple major shooters have passed this background check when they should have been flagged.

Most (possibly all) states won’t allow an out-of-state ID to purchase a gun. Example, I used to have MS as part of my sales territory and in my spare time on trips there I’d check out pawn shops. I was bummed the first time I tried to buy an old rifle and they said no because my IDs identify me as a Texas resident.

One thing that is talked about frequently is a misnomer that people call the “gun show loophole.” LOTS of people think that anyone can go to a gun show and buy whatever gun they want without that background check, but that’s not even close to true. Almost all vendors at gun shows are considered “stores” and they all require the national background check.

There is one way to legally purchase a gun without a background check though. A citizen can sell their own privately owned gun to another citizen without a background check. Since that gun was obviously purchased from a store originally there are records of who the original owner is and you can bet that the original owner will get a knock on the door if their gun shows up at a crime scene. That’s why most (but not all) private sellers get a bill of sale and ask to see the buyer’s CHL or LTC. That’s what the “gun show loophole” actually is. As a private citizen I can attend a gun show and bring my gun to sell to someone else at the show. Is that loophole exploitable? Yes, but it’s not that easy to do and any seller that’s careless is opening themselves up to a lot of risk.

No worries. That makes sense , wasn't aware of different state IDs and background checks.

 

[Tortoise Tom]

The Big Lebowsky? Lol

The Dude abides...

 

[Tortoise Tom]

The most interesting part of this video was when he mentioned strict gun law states like Detroit being highest gun related murders in the US. It's easy to say that gun control doesn't work because it still happens there but the arguement doesn't hold up. I may be wrong but I'm not aware of state borders. (I.e. The border between Mexico is patrolled and such) so law abiding citizens in areas like Detroit cannot defend themselves against criminals who can simply drive out of the state. Buy guns and return to Detroit armed. Yes their guns are illegal. But they were purchased legally. It won't work unless no one is able to legally buy a gun. (Please correct me if there is a state border checkpoint)

Metalman explained this one.

State laws vary, but a resident of one state can't buy a gun out of state and bring it back with them. To buy out of state you have to send the money to a seller and the seller ships the gun across state lines to a FFL holder (Federal Firearms License) in your own state. Then you have to go fill out paperwork (DROS), pay some fees, and verify your identity. Then the FFL sends in your info to the NICS (National Instant Check System), and waits for a response. If you pass, and the gun is legal in your state, you can have your gun. What I just described is how it is done in the states here in America that are still "free" states without stupid pointless draconian gun laws that make it difficult for people to freely exercise their rights. So that was the easy version. I live in CA, and its much more difficult here to buy a gun. When you see on the news how easy it is to buy a gun in America, that's one of those media lies I told you about. Only people who have never bought a gun say that. It ain't easy even in the free states. In CA we have to study for, and pass, a test to get a license to buy a gun. Then we have to do all of the above mentioned stuff from the other states. Then if we pass the NCIS background check, we have to wait 10 days to pick up our new gun. This is supposed to be a "cooling off" period. Meaning that if someone gets mad at their neighbor, they can't just go down to the store, buy a gun and come home with it and shoot their neighbor. First of all, murder is already illegal and no one is going to take the time to go to the store wait in line, do a background check, do all the paperwork, and then go home and commit a crime of passion. You're so exhausted at the end of the process, that you don't even remember why you were mad. Even still, lets hypothetically say someone believes this cooling off process would save lives. Why do I have to wait 10 days if I already own several other guns that I could use to commit a crime if I was so inclined? Then you have to pass a test at the gun store counter on how to handle, store and use your gun. Even if you already have a secure gun safe to lock up your new gun, you are required to buy a trigger lock with every new gun. I can't even bring an unused new trigger lock with me to pick up a new gun. I'm required to buy a new one each time. I have a box of unused trigger locks collecting dust outside my safe.

Then CA tells you how to store it and transport it. In the major cities of CA you can't get a permit to carry your gun. Many types of guns are illegal here for no good reason. Now they want us to pass a background check to buy ammo. Standard and high capacity mags have been banned here for decades. So have the intentionally mis-named "assault weapons" been banned since 1994. Yet two of those highest crime rate cities in the video are here in CA. All the restrictions make it more difficult, and impossible in some cases for a law abiding citizen to get a gun. Yet, as you can see, none of it does anything to deter gang members and other criminals from committing violent crimes. It just leaves the good guys defenseless.

So someone from crime ridden Detroit cannot go buy a gun across state lines and bring it back. To even attempt to do so is a crime. The media doesn't want you to know this, or any of the other facts that destroy their arguments. Gun control doesn't work. Not anywhere, not anytime. More gun control won't work any better. The best solution is to level the playing field. Go to any prison and the bad guys will tell you that fear of being shot by their intended victims is the greatest crime deterrent there is. Facts and statistics, like some of the ones pointed out by Bill in the video, prove what I am saying, in spite of all the media lies. In fact, our own elected officials, up to and including Obama himself, are actively helping murderers get guns to make the "gun problem" seem greater and scarier than it really is. Seems like and outrageous and unfounded claim? Look up "Operation Fast and Furious". They've openly admitted to it and Holder resigned to save himself from prosecution and public ridicule. There are many more cases like this one too, I'm sad to say.

You don't consider any of those 110 of 218 countries that have higher murder rates than the US "developed"? I think we may have a different definition of this word. And what about when we eliminate the top 10 Democrat controlled crime ridden cities with the most stringent gun control in the country, which would make us rate much farther down that list? Are none of those nations "developed" either? The point is: Its is nowhere near as bad as the media wants Americans and people like you all over the world to believe. I wish it were zero. I wish we were last on that list, but unfortunately we have gangs, the war on drugs, and a bunch of socialists that have been working on tearing down the fabric of what makes American society so great for decades. All of these elements and many more contribute to the crime rates here.

Here are some more facts to ponder:

 

[Tortoise Tom]

No worries. That makes sense , wasn't aware of different state IDs and background checks.

What I'm seeing is that your opinions on this matter are based on incorrect assumptions and media lies...

Let's keep talking about it. Keep telling my why you see it the way you see it, and I'll keep explaining the facts. I don't know how else someone in your country is going to learn the truth. You know the BBC ain't gonna tell you. Not going to hear it from CNN, CSPAN, or any other news media outlet either. You thought people were getting guns from less restrictive states and using them to commit crimes in their own states, but it should be clear that is not the case now. What's next?

 

[Tnoob]

I agree that it's your right to own them, i just personally don't feel it's necessary but whatever floats your boat. Never said they should be banned completely, and yes i have taken defense classes and have a concealed carry. That's awesome you have taught your daughter to be responsible with it, as I've done with my nephews. But the problem is, there is so many ****ed up people in this world that have done damage that can't be undone and it will never be the same here because of that. I'm not saying anyone is bad for having them, i have friends and family that own them and they are a lot of fun at the range, where they should be, but sad thing is that's not where everyone uses them. It's your right to own whatever you want and i totally stand by that, just as it's my right to think it's not necessary. No argument about it because at the end of the day my opinion really doesn't matter its just a opinion. And just so you know the media has no influence on me, thank god i check the weather on my phone so i don't have to listen to any of that crap. I just take care of me and my own and try to keep to myself. I just wanted to give my two cents to those who think they can overthrow the government by having a few guns, not gonna happen. They shouldn't have any right to take this from us but little we can do if that were to happen. If you own them for hobby and/or self defense and respect it, thats fine but i don't like when people think their a badass because they own one.

If I'm ever in southern cal I'll stop by and let off a few rounds with you, sounds like a blast

I think you're making a great arguement to own a gun here.

 

[Tnoob]

Mine shoots about like a 22 but with a little punch.....not too bad. I've had shotguns that damn near put me on my ass and the AR is NOTHING like it.

That's because the AR, is a .22.

 

[Tnoob]

The problems in Detroit, Chicago, New York, L.A., etc are not gun problems. They're gang problems. As in black and brown gangbangers, who were raised by useless welfare mothers and didnt have fathers, who run the streets at a young age and grow up to be sociopathic little cunts. Decent black folks call them "the lost"...I just call them trash. Democrats are directly responsible for creating a culture of welfare trash, who's daddy is the state, and who feel entitled to free handouts because thats all they know. Inner cities are ****. There's always a few decent folks who live there from neccesity, but the majority of the "poor" in America are that way because they're lazy, useless sacks of ****. The rest are mentally or physically handicapped, have psychological issues (mental healthcare here is disgusting, we are failing the mentaly ill miserably) or some other valid reason to be poor. Hard times happen, I'm not judging THOSE people. Jesus, I went off on a tangent again..

The biggest problem in the black community is the absence of men in the family. It's had a huge impact on the moral and psychological development of boys, and because of the welfare state it's now starting to bleed into mexican and white families. What woman needs a man when the state can provide?

 

[LC72uk]

Our UK friends should be excited as they have a new royal baby.

No , it`s just another snivelling little **** that will be draining the UK`s resources. The Royal Family are all In breds . Just take a look at Prince Edward , i rest my case.
As for Harry being of Royal Bloodline , bull **** . Prince Charles is not even the Biological father of Harry. Major James Hewitt is , everyone in the UK knows this as a result of Diana`s affair with him .
There is no Royal blood in the royal Family as the last true bloodline was severed when 2 illegitimate children were born .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...s-british-royal-family-may-not-have-royal-bl/

 

[Tnoob]

No , it`s just another snivelling little **** that will be draining the UK`s resources. The Royal Family are all In breds . Just take a look at Prince Edward , i rest my case.
As for Harry being of Royal Bloodline , bull **** . Prince Charles is not even the Biological father of Harry. Major James Hewitt is , everyone in the UK knows this as a result of Diana`s affair with him .
There is no Royal blood in the royal Family as the last true bloodline was severed when 2 illegitimate children were born .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...s-british-royal-family-may-not-have-royal-bl/

I'll trade you for Hillary Clinton.

 

[LC72uk]

I'll trade you for Hillary Clinton.

Sorry she means nothing to me apart from she`s married to Bill. That`s all I know about her.

 

[Tnoob]

Sorry she means nothing to me apart from she`s married to Bill. That`s all I know about her.

You could have some fun with Google.

 

[Casey K.]

Sorry she means nothing to me apart from she`s married to Bill. That`s all I know about her.

Best you keep it that way. I will keep my thoughts to myself about that murderous wench.

 

[Casey K.]

Not bad, but just like with everything else, Texas has to have our own. Texasguntrader

You know I'm from Texas, lol.....i've glanced over texas gun trader a few times, lol. Thinking about going back to Texas.

 

[Casey K.]

That's because the AR, is a .22.

Well may as well be, lol....223 ....same thing

 

[Casey K.]

The biggest problem in the black community is the absence of men in the family. It's had a huge impact on the moral and psychological development of boys, and because of the welfare state it's now starting to bleed into mexican and white families. What woman needs a man when the state can provide?

Lmao......oooohh that is so true....but I kinda like the part of "what woman needs a man when SHE can provide?".... lol.....I'm crawling off to my dark hole now.....lol.

 

[Rs50matt]

Well this has taken a turn. Everytime someone mentions violence in the black community it always reminds me of Ben Shapiros statement when asked about it and he said it's everything to do with the culture

I miss the times when someone didn't get a job or they failed at something because they ****ed up. Now everyone blames oppression. Are there honestly still black people dealing with oppression from slavery in the US? Give me a break lol. Btw I can say this because I'm a white privileged male

 

[Mr. P]

Lmao......oooohh that is so true....but I kinda like the part of "what woman needs a man when SHE can provide?".... lol.....I'm crawling off to my dark hole now.....lol.

I don't think it is about providing, anybody can provide man or woman. I believe it is more about discipline and there are many mothers who can't control a beligerent son.
My wife is 5'3" and I am 6'3" and a solid 255 lbs. Our youngest son is 6'5" and when he was 17 he wanted to to go out with his buddies and his mom told him no. He got upset and started yelling at her saying he was going and how was she going to stop him. When he turned around I was standing there and a wave of fear rushed across his face. I told him if he ever talked to his mother that way again his buddies would be sending flowers to his funeral. He then apologized to his mother and gave her a hug. He is now 25 and we haven't had an issue with disrespect since.

Nothing against women but there are times when a dad needs to step in and in todays families there are way too many households where one isn't available.

 

[ilovebrachys]

I don't think it is about providing, anybody can provide man or woman. I believe it is more about discipline and there are many mothers who can't control a beligerent son.
My wife is 5'3" and I am 6'3" and a solid 255 lbs. Our youngest son is 6'5" and when he was 17 he wanted to to go out with his buddies and his mom told him no. He got upset and started yelling at her saying he was going and how was she going to stop him. When he turned around I was standing there and a wave of fear rushed across his face. I told him if he ever talked to his mother that way again his buddies would be sending flowers to his funeral. He then apologized to his mother and gave her a hug. He is now 25 and we haven't had an issue with disrespect since.

Nothing against women but there are times when a dad needs to step in and in todays families there are way too many households where one isn't available.

Sometimes there maybe a father in the household but has little to do with their children,not because they don't want to but because modern life prevents it for example he maybe at work for long hours and the kids are in bed by the time they get home etc-
therefore its down to the mother of the household to deal with the kids and their behaviour,
family life has changed over the years due to modern living and its not changed for the better

 

[Mr. P]

Sometimes there maybe a father in the household but has little to do with their children,not because they don't want to but because modern life prevents it for example he maybe at work for long hours and the kids are in bed by the time they get home etc-
therefore its down to the mother of the household to deal with the kids and their behaviour,
family life has changed over the years due to modern living and its not changed for the better

So true, we have three boys and with me being in the Army and gone for extended periods of time mom was left to deal with a lot. However, they new dad would be home eventually and deal with them at some point.