The plot has thickened for Brazilian spiders in the U.S.

[Arachnoclown]

Since they would be classified contraband then just possessing them would be illegal.

True but...they know they are already here. They aren't going to make us turn them in...or euthanize them. They can only say that they cant be sold for profit I'm thinking.

 

[Mr. P]

Well Casey K. is just a short drive from me so,,,,
Hey Casey K., if you have any illegal Brazilian wax species you want to give away just give me a yell.

 

[Rs50matt]

they can't regulate it thou. They can go on popular dealers websites and see if they're selling illegal spiders but they won't stop anyone from being able to get hold of them. And they have no way in hell of finding every spider that originated in Brazil in the hobby. I'd be interested in just hearing an estimation as to how many they think there are in circulation.

Realistically they can regulate the borders more and make sure no more are taken out of the wild but leave the hobby be. There's a chance that once People have finished destroying most of their natural habitat captive bred species will be the only ones left

 

[Arachnoclown]

http://www.thetkc.org/tkc-information-update-sa-dcoil/

 

[Rs50matt]

http://www.thetkc.org/tkc-information-update-sa-dcoil/

So any Ts already in the hobby of Brazilian origin are clear to bred sold and obtained from what I'm reading there

 

[Mr. P]

All it really means is if they are harder to get then the price goes up.

 

[Rs50matt]

All it really means is if they are harder to get then the price goes up.

Are there really that many in the hobby in the us that are wild caught thou? I feel like most of the Brazilian Ts that are in the hobby are self sustained in it. Maybe seledonia will be affected but I feel like with the price of them people bred them as much as possible to increase earnings. (This is from an Europeans point of view btw. I'm aware some species common over hear are hard to come by in the states)

 

[Arachnoclown]

So any Ts already in the hobby of Brazilian origin are clear to bred sold and obtained from what I'm reading there

It all speculation right now....more updates in the next few weeks.

 

[Arachnoclown]

THERAPHOSINAE THAT ARE ENDEMIC TO BRAZIL
- according to the World Spider Catalog, accepted species only

* Acanthoscurria belterrensis
* Acanthoscurria convexa
* Acanthoscurria geniculata
* Acanthoscurria gomesiana
* Acanthoscurria juruenicola
* Acanthoscurria natalensis
* Acanthoscurria paulensis
* Acanthoscurria proxima
* Acanthoscurria rhodothele
* Acanthoscurria tarda
* Acanthoscurria urens
* Ami caxiuana
* Avicularia caei
* Avicularia taunayi
* Bumba cabocla
* Bumba lennon
* Catanduba aragruaia
* Catanduba canabrava
* Catanduba flavohirta
* Catanduba peruacu
* Catanduba piauiensis
* Catanduba simoni
* Catanduba tuskae
* Catumiri chicaoi
* Catumiri petropolium
* Cyclosternum bicolor
* Cyclosternum garbei
* Cyriocosmus bertae
* Cyriocosmus chicoi
* Cyriocosmus fasciatus
* Cyriocosmus fernandoi
* Cyriocosmus hoeferi
* Cyriocosmus nogueiranetoi
* Cyrtopholis meridionalis
* Cyrtopholis palmarum
* Cyrtopholis schmidti
* Cyrtopholis zorodes
* Dolichothele auratum
* Dolichothele diamantinensis
* Dolichothele dominguense
* Dolichothele exilis
* Dolichothele mineirum
* Dolichothele mottai
* Dolichothele rufoniger
* Dolichothele tucuruiense
* Ephebopus uatuman
* Eupalaestrus spinosissimus
* Grammostola iheringi
* Grammostola pulchra
* Guyruita atlantica
* Guyruita cerrado
* Guyruita giupponii
* Guyruita isae
* Guyruita metallophila
* Hapalopus butantan
* Hapalopus serrapelada
* Homoeomma brasilianum
* Homoeomma familiare
* Homoeomma hirsutum
* Homoeomma humile
* Homoeomma montanum
* Homoeomma nigrum
* Homoeomma stradlingi
* Homoeomma villosum
* Iridopelma hirsutum
* Iridopelma katiae
* Iridopelma marcoi
* Iridopelma oliveirai
* Iridopelma vanini
* Iridopelma zorodes
* Kochiana brunnipes
* Lasiodora acanthognatha
* Lasiodora benedeni
* Lasiodora citharacantha
* Lasiodora cristata
* Lasiodora cryptostigma
* Lasiodora curtior
* Lasiodora differens
* Lasiodora difficilis
* Lasiodora dolichosterna
* Lasiodora dulcicola
* Lasiodora erythrocythara
* Lasiodora fallax
* Lasiodora fracta
* Lasiodora isabellina
* Lasiodora itabunae
* Lasiodora klugi
* Lasiodora lakoi
* Lasiodora mariannae
* Lasiodora pantherina
* Lasiodora parahybana (was legally exported from Brazil many years ago, according to Frank Somma)
* Lasiodora pleoplectra
* Lasiodora spinipes
* Lasiodora sternalis
* Lasiodora striatipes
* Lasiodora subcanens
* Magulla brescoviti
* Magulla buecherli
* Magulla janeira
* Magulla obesa
* Megaphobema teceae
* Munduruku bicoloratum
* Nhandu cerradensis
* Nhandu chromatus
* Nhandu coloratovillosus
* Nhandu tripepii
* Pachistopelma bromelicola
* Pachistopelma rufonigrum
* Pamphobeteus crassifemur
* Pamphobeteus grandis
* Phormictopus brasiliensis
* Phormictopus ribeiroi
* Plesiopelma imperatrix
* Plesiopelma insulare
* Plesiopelma minense
* Plesiopelma physopus
* Plesiopelma rectimanum
* Proshapalopus amazonicus
* Proshapalopus anomalus
* Proshapalopus multicuspidatus
* Pterinopelma felipeleitei
* Pterinopelma sazimai
* Pterinopelma vitiosum
* Schismatothele benedettii
* Sericopelma fallax
* Sickius longibulbi
* Tmesiphantes amadoi
* Tmesiphantes bethaniae
* Tmesiphantes caymmii
* Tmesiphantes hypogeus
* Tmesiphantes mirim
* Tmesiphantes nubilus
* Tmesiphantes perp
* Tmesiphantes riopretano
* Trichopelma flavicomum
* Trichopelma illetabile
* Typhochlaena amma
* Typhochlaena costae
* Typhochlaena curumim
* Typhochlaena paschoali
* Typhochlaena seladonia
* Vitalius buecherli
* Vitalius dubius
* Vitalius lucasae
* Vitalius nondescriptus
* Vitalius sorocabae
* Vitalius vellutinus
* Vitalius wacketi
* Ybyrapora diversipes
* Ybyrapora gamba
* Ybyrapora sooretama

 

[Mr. P]

Are there really that many in the hobby in the us that are wild caught thou? I feel like most of the Brazilian Ts that are in the hobby are self sustained in it. Maybe seledonia will be affected but I feel like with the price of them people bred them as much as possible to increase earnings. (This is from an Europeans point of view btw. I'm aware some species common over hear are hard to come by in the states)

I know the big influx of G. pulchra that we had in 2018 were imports from Europe.

 

[Arachnoclown]

Are there really that many in the hobby in the us that are wild caught thou? I feel like most of the Brazilian Ts that are in the hobby are self sustained in it. Maybe seledonia will be affected but I feel like with the price of them people bred them as much as possible to increase earnings. (This is from an Europeans point of view btw. I'm aware some species common over hear are hard to come by in the states)

It doesnt matter if they are wild caught or not. Brazil gave no permission to export them. It doesnt matter if the tarantulas great great grandmother was wild caught 50 years ago and exported to the US. All her offspring are illegal as well. Infact all the Brazilian species in your country are more then likely contraband aswell.

 

[Rs50matt]

It doesnt matter if they are wild caught or not. Brazil gave no permission to export them. It doesnt matter if the tarantulas great great grandmother was wild caught 50 years ago and exported to the US. All her offspring are illegal as well. Infact all the Brazilian species in your country are more then likely contraband aswell.

The good news is that I was told what’s in is in and that if an endemic Brazilian species came into the country on a legal import and was cleared by FWS or customs, they would not be considered illegal. No one will be coming to people’s houses or businesses, or pursuing legal action against those that own or sell these species. It was my understanding that whether the species were let in because customs or FWS missed them on the import, didn’t check or simply didn’t know the law at that time, they would not be going after the individuals that imported these species. This is great news for the US hobby because if things are written as I was told they will be, we will be able to continue to breed, sell and transfer Brazilian species that have already come into the country.”


I think it's a massive overreaction. What I got from it was although they have come into the country illegally nothing will be done to effect the hobby. Future imports will be effected and potentially stopped but no ones stopping you selling what you already have.

 

[Tortoise Tom]

http://www.thetkc.org/tkc-information-update-sa-dcoil/

Well this post is about a 180 from the original. Which is good news.

Doesn't seem like any of this will affect CB imports from Europe either. We simply won't be exporting/importing any out of Brazil any more. We better get our captive breeding groove on now...

 

[Whitelightning777]

From what I understand, if a spider was legally imported, the spider and its offspring are legal. If not, they or their offspring are illegal. (prove it either way) Since doing captive bred is better to begin with, that shouldn't be a problem. If someone wants to ban my beloved L klugi Justina, I'll give them hell. Most of these are being bred. In fact, fear not tarantulas has some nice ones for sale now.

The mystery box thing sounds interesting...

 

[Arachnoclown]

I hear all that but....if Brazil says they never exported any spiders then all the ones received from Europe and Germany are illegal too. I'm pretty sure all spiders here will be kept as pets still but breeding will probably be banned. Hard to say what they are going to rule...

 

[Tortoise Tom]

I hear all that but....if Brazil says they never exported any spiders then all the ones received from Europe and Germany are illegal too. I'm pretty sure all spiders here will be kept as pets still but breeding will probably be banned. Hard to say what they are going to rule...

Did you see the paragraph that Matt quoted in post number 32 here? Sounds to me like the FWS guy said that if they are already here, we can carry on as usual. We just won't be able to export/import directly from Brazil any longer.

 

[PanzoN88]

My advice, wait for the official public statement from the FWS, that's what I'm doing since I am naturally paranoid.

 

[Metalman2004]

My advice, wait for the official public statement from the FWS, that's what I'm doing since I am naturally paranoid.

What people are reading as “official statements” has already flip flopped from one post to the next. There is no reason to speculate until the actual final word is out lest there be more flipping and flopping.

 

[Rs50matt]

What they're saying is Even thou Brazil are now saying they never exported any species spiders that were taken across the border were never stopped as the border patrol themselves weren't aware of the laws. There won't be any more imports from Brazil directly but Brazilian species can still be imported from other countries as long as the correct paperwork is in place and you can prove it wasn't imported from Brazil.

But agree with Panzo. Until it's 100% set in stone might aswell completely ignore it.

 

[Coryc]

So my pulchra is illegal? SWEET. When she's a mature female I'm going to get as many mm from hobbyists that I can, and then flood my country with them. I hope Brazil doesn't invade us with sticks and rocks..lmao. You know that country was once a growing, thriving place? It's beauty is unmatched. Then: Socialism happened. The corruption of socialism destroys any country it touches. Go to any uncensored site and type brazil into the search engine. You will be rewarded with images and videos straight from hell. Google it. A good lesson for the trashy, stupid, degenerate leftists that are destroying America.

Brazil is the start of a god damn apocalypse. At least give us all of their spiders. I’m definitely breeding my A. juruensis when she matures. Giving them to every ****ing person I know who doesn’t have one