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How dangerous are medically significant Ts?

Kevin Levites

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Hi guys.

I believe I can add something of substance to this discussion, as I'm an ex-paramedic with 12 years of EMS experience in South Florida . . . which includes a great many animals that bite and sting.

Standard doctrine is that almost all pet tarantulas are not capable of killing and/or seriously injuring a human from a bite.

There are many tarantulas from the New World that are capable of causing partial or total blindness from flicking urticaring hairs, which are like tiny porkypine quills.

These irritating hairs contain foreign proteins and other substances that cause a release of histamine . . . and these hairs often contain backward-pointing barbs that cause them to get lodged in the skin and mucous membranes.

As for the actual bite . . . venom is not the only concern.

Any puncture wound is more likely to develop an infection, and tarantulas eat cockroaches, scavenging beetles, and other vermin . . . so I believe that a dirty puncture wound from a tarantula's fang does carry a significant risk of infection. It does seem prudent that any tarantula enthusiast stays up to date on anti-tetanus injections. A Goliath birdeater can have fangs longer than 1/2 inch, which seem capable of causing considerable mechanical damage . . . depending upon where you're bitten.

Old World tarantulas have avreputation for potent venom, but I feel that the danger is over-estimated. It certainly is possible that a person can have a fatal allergic reaction to a tarantula bite . . . like some people can have with ant bites or bee stings, but I've never heard of this happening, and I don't know anyone who has treated a dangerous allergic reaction to a tarantula bite.

Treatment would involve an injection of epinephrine, and follow-up treatment with steroids and other meds from the emergency department in a hospital.

There are myglamorph spiders in Australia, Tasmania, and Papua New Guinea that are quite dangerous (they are in the Atrax family, like the Sydney Funnel-Web spider), but they are rarely-if ever-encountered outside of Australia, as Australia has very strict regulations about exporting wildlife.

Atrax spiders are related to the tarantulas, but they are small, drab, and uninteresting unless one gets a thrill from keeping something simply because it's dangerous.

In Atrax, the males are between 5 and 6 times more toxic than the females. Most tarantula keepers like female specimens because they tend to live much longer . . . unless there is a breeding project going on, so Atrax spiders--especially males--are usually of little interest to collectors.

The arboreal tarantulas in India and Southeast Asia have a reputation for being especially toxic . . . but again, I feel the danger is overestimated . . . but a person bitten by such a spider should seek medical attention if there is a medical history of diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, and/or sickle-cell anemia.

I would also imagine that anyone taking certain medications may have a serious issue with an Asian tarantula bite.

MAOI drugs, opiates, and a category of meds called ACE inhibitors may make a tarantula bite more serious.

For first aid, immobilize the arm or leg that was bitten, use a wide, elastic bandage to apply moderate compression over the wound (note: not a tourniquet). One finger should fit under the bandage after it's wrapped.

Wash the site with soap and water before applying the bandage, keep the extremity elevated above the level of the heart, and do not give the patient anything to eat or drink. Do not put ice over the bite.

Keep them warm and comfortable, keep them calm, and don't let them drink alcohol or take any meds and/or nonprescription drugs.

If the patient goes into shock (which is highly unlikely), elevate the legs sightly by about a foot or so, and monitor the airway.

Symptoms if shock include cool, sweaty skin, anxiety, changes in a person's mental status, nausea, rapid heart rate, and a low blood pressure.

I hope this helps.
 

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Kevin Levites

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No reason to be frightened.

My post was intended to inform, and not create fear.

As someone mentioned earlier, you are in much more danger from a pet dog than from any pet tarantula.

Or to look at it another way . . . you are in much more danger from the ticks that a pet dog could bring in your house from certain diseases, and a condition called tick paralysis (from a toxic protein in tick saliva) then you could ever be from any pet tarantula.
 

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I live alone and have vistors occasionally and my bedroom is the spider room . I also had to overcome the fears tarantulas I have old worlds and new world and had escapees of both new and old but still sleep sound . You just to treat them with respect when you put your hand in their domain the enclosure or when rehousing and feeding .
 

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No reason to be frightened.

My post was intended to inform, and not create fear.

As someone mentioned earlier, you are in much more danger from a pet dog than from any pet tarantula.

Or to look at it another way . . . you are in much more danger from the ticks that a pet dog could bring in your house from certain diseases, and a condition called tick paralysis (from a toxic protein in tick saliva) then you could ever be from any pet tarantula.
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Pokie venom can kill you though you have to have co-morbidities for it to do so. Their venom causes bad muscle cramps in the abdomen and around the bite area, so if youve had surgery or have a heart issue it could def kill ya like any other neurotoxic venom. Theres a vid of robc having been bit by ornata and his whole arm had a bad cramp. Imagine that by your jaw or neck. You'd need a breathing tube
 

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I have High blood pressure and I'm diabetic. I've been bitten by a few tarantulas in my 40 years in the hobby. Poecilotheria ornata and Stromatopelma calceatum are two of the nastiest bites one can take. Ive been bit by both. I had to go to the ER to get my finger reset after the ornata bite. They had zero concerns about my heart. It always seems to be the ones that have never experienced a bite that seem to be the experts or spread fear to others. Did it hurt, hell yeah. Do I want to get bit again, hell no. But grabbing at straws trying to say it may kill you is B.S. We have been living with tarantulas for 1000s of years and not one recorded death for any reason.
 

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I have High blood pressure and I'm diabetic. I've been bitten by a few tarantulas in my 40 years in the hobby. Poecilotheria ornata and Stromatopelma calceatum are two of the nastiest bites one can take. Ive been bit by both. I had to go to the ER to get my finger reset after the ornata bite. They had zero concerns about my heart. It always seems to be the ones that have never experienced a bite that seem to be the experts or spread fear to others. Did it hurt, hell yeah. Do I want to get bit again, hell no. But grabbing at straws trying to say it may kill you is B.S. We have been living with tarantulas for 1000s of years and not one recorded death for any reason.
Did you have any cramps or side effects of the venom? Always hear stories of “extreme cramps”. Ive been in the hobby for 20 plus years and have never taken a bite (thank goodness). Thanks for sharing your experience and stopping the fear train of keeping OW tarantulas.
 

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Did you have any cramps or side effects of the venom? Always hear stories of “extreme cramps”. Ive been in the hobby for 20 plus years and have never taken a bite (thank goodness). Thanks for sharing your experience and stopping the fear train of keeping OW tarantulas.
Unfortunately breeding and trying to preserve my male spiders has put me in harm's way on a few occasions.

Thread 'Poecilotheria ornata vs. Stromatopelma calceatum' https://www.tarantulaforum.com/threads/poecilotheria-ornata-vs-stromatopelma-calceatum.30477/
 

Kevin Levites

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Did you have any cramps or side effects of the venom? Always hear stories of “extreme cramps”. Ive been in the hobby for 20 plus years and have never taken a bite (thank goodness). Thanks for sharing your experience and stopping the fear train of keeping OW tarantulas.
First, if I came off as a fear-monger, I sincerely apologize.

I do believe I used words like "highly unlikely" and that the risk of a pet dog bringing ticks into the house is much more medically significant than a pet tarantula bite. I also said that I've never even heard of anyone who has treated an allergic reaction to a tarantula bite.

I hoped that my statements would have been taken in context.

I still stand by everything I said . . . and further, I believe that the tarantula hobby is extremely vital for the sake of humanity.

There are several medications that come from animal venom. Byetta is a med used to treat a heart condition called atrial fibrillation, and it comes from the pygmie rattlesnake. There are medications for diabetes and parkinson's disease that are being refined from the venom of the gila monster, and venom from the copperhead snake may hold a cure for cancer called "contortostatin."

We are in the middle of a human-caused mass extinction, and tarantula species have a better chance of survival if they're being kept as pets.

As another example, consider the Spix Macaw. It was driven into total extinction in the wild, andthe species only exists today because of about 45 birds that were pets, and repatriated back to Brazil for a breeding program . . . and now, we are up to about 300 birds.

Certain animals are very charismatic, like the excessively cute and endangered Hawaiian monk seal, so when an appeal goes out for resources to protect them, the dollars roll in.

Yet if we try to raise a similar appeal for snakes, tarantulas, and scorpions . . . we would be lucky to see a dime.

Yet it's these "nasty animals" that may hold an ultimate cure for cancer.

So no . . . I don't intend to be a fear monger.
 

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I did make a mistake in the earlier post, in that Byetta does not treat atrial fibrillation but, rather, diabetes.

See below about theraputic and medicinal uses of venom components.

 

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Pokie venom can kill you though you have to have co-morbidities for it to do so. Their venom causes bad muscle cramps in the abdomen and around the bite area, so if youve had surgery or have a heart issue it could def kill ya like any other neurotoxic venom. Theres a vid of robc having been bit by ornata and his whole arm had a bad cramp. Imagine that by your jaw or neck. You'd need a breathing tube
My cousin was bit in the neck by a Heteroscodra maculata. He is deadly allergic to bees. He rushed himself to the ER immediately after the bite. Cramping in his neck and shoulders is what he described. He had swelling of the bite area on his throat but it didn't compromise his breathing at all. They did treat him for dehydration though from all the vomiting he did. He went home as soon as he sucked down a IV fluid bag.
 

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My cousin was bit in the neck by a Heteroscodra maculata. He is deadly allergic to bees. He rushed himself to the ER immediately after the bite. Cramping in his neck and shoulders is what he described. He had swelling of the bite area on his throat but it didn't compromise his breathing at all. They did treat him for dehydration though from all the vomiting he did. He went home as soon as he sucked down a IV fluid bag.
Thank you for sharing. I still work in the medical field, so this info is useful.
 
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