Are these male Pedipalps on my P. scrofa? (Photo)

[scrible]

Those aren't the greatest pictures but that carapace looks way to coppery to be P. Scrofa.. Does your T happen to look anything like this???

I don't like using the flash because it seems to frighten him. Here's a picture I have of him with flash. He isn't nearly as copper-colored as he looks in those pictures that are relatively dark.

The P. parvula looks like it has much more yellow coloring and its abdomen looks darker than my T.

 

[Morgan94]

I don't like using the flash because it seems to frighten him. Here's a picture I have of him with flash. He isn't nearly as copper-colored as he looks in those pictures that are relatively dark.

The P. parvula looks like it has much more yellow coloring and its abdomen looks darker than my T.

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Much better pic.. and yeahhh that is Scrofa lol

 

[scrible]

Much better pic.. and yeahhh that is Scrofa lol

Haha his name is Peaches because of his peach colored fuzz. Is there any way to guess-timate how much longer he may live since as a mature male? I have been told that his current "molt" looks rather aged.

 

[Morgan94]

Haha his name is Peaches because of his peach colored fuzz. Is there any way to guess-timate how much longer he may live since as a mature male? I have been told that his current "molt" looks rather aged.

He looked pretty fresh to me but Its hard to say with any certainty it could be up to a year.. in my opinion your best bet would be to do a breeder loan or sell him to a breeder

 

[scrible]

Yeah I am considering that option, or just keeping him and enjoying him until he passes. He is pretty small at 2" or less so he might not be too good of a candidate for breeding, although if someone offered my another T. in trade, I might not pass it up.

 

[Morgan94]

Yeah I am considering that option, or just keeping him and enjoying him until he passes. He is pretty small at 2" or less so he might not be too good of a candidate for breeding, although if someone offered my another T. in trade, I might not pass it up.

MMs don't get very big they are some what a dwarf species my boyfriend and I have a 1/2 in one and its already starting to color up but our 3/4 in Ts of regular size species are still pretty dull

 

[Poec54]

You shouldn't be going by tibial spurs because in almost 30 genera males don't have them (the term 'hook out' should be phased out). Look at the end of the palps for the emboli folded underneath. Those are the insertion organs, that's what makes an adult male.

If you're buying a spider that you can examine before purchasing, don't blame the seller if you pick out an adult male. You should know how to do that before your buy. Most pet stores have low paid, high-turnover employees who get little training, and can't possibly know all the merchandise and animals they carry.

 

[Martin Oosthuysen]

You shouldn't be going by tibial spurs because in almost 30 genera males don't have them (the term 'hook out' should be phased out). Look at the end of the palps for the emboli folded underneath. Those are the insertion organs, that's what makes an adult male.

If you're buying a spider that you can examine before purchasing, don't blame the seller if you pick out an adult male. You should know how to do that before your buy. Most pet stores have low paid, high-turnover employees who get little training, and can't possibly know all the merchandise and animals they carry.

100% correct,but in this case the specific specimen the person asked about did have these. Obviously not all will have these,thus each possible sexing should be handled per situation. I still believe molt sexing to be the best,unless a mature male was purchased showing the obvious signs.

As for buying from a pet store,in general they do not know what they are doing. It is a money making situation,even if the person knew I highly doubt they would have told the person that purchased it. Till a person feels well equipped do not buy from them,I personally buy from reputable breeders. I also try buying from sling size way more fun to see them grow.



Below is a list of species that LACK tibial spurs in mature males.

The list is alphabetical by Genus with Species lacking tibial spurs listed below their Genus.

Genus Annandaliella:
pectinifera
travencorica
Genus Anoploscelus:
celeripes
lesserti
Genus Augacephalus:
junodi
Genus Chilobrachys:
andersoni
annandalei
assamensis
bicolor
brevipes
dyscolus
femoralis
fimbriatus
flavopilosus
fumosus
hardwicki
huahini
hubei
jingzhao
nitelinus
oculatus
paviei
pococki
sericeus
soricinus
stridulans
thorelli
tschankoensis
Genus Citharischius:
crawshayi
stridulantissimus
Genus Coremiocnemis:
cunicularia
tropix
valida
Genus Encyocratella:
olivacea
Genus Euphrictus:
spinosus
squamosus
Genus Heteroscodra:
crassipes
crassipes latithorax
maculata
pachypoda
Genus Heterothele:
affinis
atropha
caudicula
darcheni
decemnotata
gabonensis
honesta
hullwilliamsi
ogbunikia
spinipes
villosella
Genus Hysterocrates:
affinis
affinis angusticeps
apostolicus
crassipes
didymus
ederi
gigas
greeffi
greshoffi
haasi
hercules
laticeps
maximus
ochraceus
robustus
robustus sulcifer
scepticus
sjostedti
spellenbergi
vosseleri
weileri
Genus schnocolus:
algericus
andalusiacus
decoratus
fasciculatus
fuscostriatus
hancocki
holosericeus
jerusalemensis
jickelii
khasiensis
maroccanus
mogadorensis
numidus
rubropilosus
syriacus
tomentosus
triangulifer
tripolitanus
tunetanus
valentinus
Genus Lyrognathus:
crotalus
pugnax
robustus
saltator
Genus Metriopelma:
breyeri
coloratum
drymusetes
familiare
ledezmae
spinolosum
variegata
velox
zebratum
Genus Nhandu:
carapoensis
Genus Orphnaecus:
pellitus
Genus Pachistopelma (they do possess a shield of spines):
concolor
rufonigrim
Genus Phlogiellus:
aper
atriceps
baeri
bicolor
brevipes
inermis
insularis
nebulosus
ornatus
subarmatus
subinermis
Genus Phoneyusa:
antilope
belandana
bettoni
bidentata
bidentata ituriensis
bouvieri
buettneri
celerierae
chevalieri
cultridens
efuliensis
elephantiasis
gabonica
giltayi
gracilipes
gregori
lesserti
manicata
minima
mutica
nigroventris
principium
rufa
rutilata
westi
Genus Phormingochilus:
everetti
fuchsi
tigrinus
Genus Plesiophrictus:
Some males such as blatteri and madraspatanus have spurs - it is unknown which species do not possess spurs.
Genus Poecilotheria:
fasciata
formosa
hanumavilasumica
metallica
miranda
ornata
pederseni
pococki
regalis
rufilata
smithi
striata
subfusca
uniformis
Genus Selenocosmia:
arndsti
aruana
compta
crassipes
deliana
dichromata
effera
fuliginea
hasselti
hirtipes
honesta
imbellis
insignis
insulana
javanensis
javanensis brachyplectra
javanensis dolichoplectra
javanensis fulva
javanensis sumatrana
kovariki
kulluensis
lanceolata
lanipes
lyra
mittmannae
obscura
orophila
papuana
peerboomi
pritami
raciborskii
samarae
similis
stirlingi
strenua
strubelli
subvulpina
sutherlandi
tahanensis
valida
Genus Selenotholus:
foelschei
Genus Selenotypus:
plumipes
Genus Sericopelma:
commune
dota
fallax
ferrugineum
generala
immensum
melanotarsum
rubronitens
silvicola
striatum
upala
Genus Stromatopelma:
batesi
calceatum
calceatum griseipes
fumigatum
satanus
Genus Theraphosa:
blondi
Genus Thrigmopoeus:
insignis
truculentus

Please Note:
Original Genus List - Journal of the British Tarantula Society – ISSN 0962-449X May 2005, Vol. 20 No. 3 page 81 - A listing of male theraphosids which lack tibial apophyses by L.K. Ross and R.C. West


Please note the following credits-
robc from Arachnophiles Anonymous who gave me the list to use.
Who in turned refers to Extended Species List - cossor at arachnofreaks.com who original compiled the list
Who in turn refers to this siteresearch.amnh.org/iz/spiders/catalog/THERAPHOSIDAE.html

Thank you to all parties involved in compiling this list.

The link where this comes from,obviously not the full list uptil now. Also what could be mentioned,some specimens have multiple tell tale signs like the bulbous pedipalps sexual dimorphism and tibial hooks/spurs and obviously palpal emboli. Best way before a tarantulas maturing age,sexing via exuviae.

http://www.tarantulas.co.za/kunena/tarantula-general/11180-the-captain-hooks?start=6

 

[scrible]

You shouldn't be going by tibial spurs because in almost 30 genera males don't have them (the term 'hook out' should be phased out). Look at the end of the palps for the emboli folded underneath. Those are the insertion organs, that's what makes an adult male.

If you're buying a spider that you can examine before purchasing, don't blame the seller if you pick out an adult male. You should know how to do that before your buy. Most pet stores have low paid, high-turnover employees who get little training, and can't possibly know all the merchandise and animals they carry.

Absolutely, and I know a lot more now then I did then even though I had done a fair amount of research before purchase. I won't blame them for the age, but I will blame them for not selling me the correct type of spider. Unfortunately what was sold to me as a young Grammastola rosea is actually a P. scrofa. Because of its small size and assuming it was the correct spider, I didn't even try to sex it as I knew a G. rosea of this size would be immature and impossible to sex. This is my first T. and I had been researching off and on for weeks before deciding to pull the trigger.

Now I know what to look for exactly and I will be 100x more careful in the future no matter the situation. Regardless, I really like my little P. scrofa even if he is a grumpy old man most of the time.