Neoholothele incei cause of death?

[benson1990]

Hey all, maybe someone with a bit of experience can help me out here...

I found my inch long N' incei dead today, I noticed it was moving weird about a week ago, I put pictures up and a video and tbh people didn't see much if anything wrong, thought I was being paranoid but I new something was off, anyway I tried giving it a bit extra moisture with fresh water and just left it be, but sadly today I confirmed it dead.

I'll add a picture, you can see the skin on the abdomen has come off a bit and it was leaking a fluid, also I'll add the carapace was hanging off too, so I'm wondering did it die molting?

Any thoughts? by the way before I noticed anything wrong it was eating like a champ and the week before I noticed anything it refused food so I assumed at the time it was premolt, but anyway and opinions appreciated.

 

[Arachnoclown]

Looks to may have died molting. Flip it over and take a picture, I'd like to see underneath.

 

[benson1990]

 

[Konstantin]

Hi
Im sorry for your loss.
I had few cases like this during the past year too.
Can't put my finger on any reason maintenance and care wise.
Couple of small juveniles (5-6cm)Pseudhapalopus sp colombia,Neischnocolus sp Panama and a little D diamantinensis sling.They were all well till they went in heavy premoult.The Pseudhapalopus sp colombia laid a moult mat but didn't moult for 3 days and it started curling and moving erratic before it poped the carapace and got stuck.
@Arachnoclown Do you think that them being on the chunky side has sth to do with it.
Regards Konstantin

 

[Arachnoclown]

Hi
Im sorry for your loss.
I had few cases like this during the past year too.
Can't put my finger on any reason maintenance and care wise.
Couple of small juveniles (5-6cm)Pseudhapalopus sp colombia,Neischnocolus sp Panama and a little D diamantinensis sling.They were all well till they went in heavy premoult.The Pseudhapalopus sp colombia laid a moult mat but didn't moult for 3 days and it started curling and moving erratic before it poped the carapace and got stuck.
@Arachnoclown Do you think that them being on the chunky side has sth to do with it.
Regards Konstantin

This spider definitely passed due to a hemorrhage. Being chunky may or may not have been the problem. Ive seen lots of problems with obese spiders in the past. I definitely wouldn't rule it out.

@benson1990 sorry for your loss. Hemorrhaging from molting happens to all spiders fat or skinny. Ive lost dozens of spiders from Hemorrhaging. Definitely a freak occurrence.

 

[Konstantin]

This spider definitely passed due to a hemorrhage. Being chunky may or may not have been the problem. Ive seen lots of problems with obese spiders in the past. I definitely wouldn't rule it out.

@benson1990 sorry for your loss. Hemorrhaging from molting happens to all spiders fat or skinny. Ive lost dozens of spiders from Hemorrhaging. Definitely a freak occurrence.

Thank you for your thoughts.
I am always careful with feeding my adults so they don't get obese but thought its ok to feed small juveniles and slings as much as they will take(This means once every 7 days for larger slings and small juveniles, and every 4 days for smaller slings) as they are practically impossible to overfeed.
I will definitely be more careful not to get them too chunky from now on.
Regards Konstantin

 

[Arachnoclown]

Thank you for your thoughts.
I am always careful with feeding my adults so they don't get obese but thought its ok to feed small juveniles and slings as much as they will take(This means once every 7 days for larger slings and small juveniles, and every 4 days for smaller slings) as they are practically impossible to overfeed.
I will definitely be more careful not to get them too chunky from now on.
Regards Konstantin

Skinny/slender spiders will molt too, when it's time its time.

Here's a horrible story that happened to me I'll share. I had 100s of slings I was feeding and noticed one was missing. I dug around looking for it and couldn't find it. I however found a redrunner roach in the enclosure running around. I came to the conclusion that the roach ate the sling. I removed the roach and put the moss and dirt back in the dram vial and placed it in a bin I keep for enclosures/vials that need to be cleaned out (spider dishes). Once I fill the bin I wash and clean everything for future spiders. About 3 months later I finally filled the bin and it was time to wash. To my surprise when I got to that vial there was a spider in it. He was still alive after all that time. He also molted two times without food or water. I was sick to my stomach to think about all that time he was in there without any care at all. I learned that young slings don't need to be fed as much as what we suggest. I think we are accustomed to suggest frequent feeding to speed up growth. However this isn't true. They're optimistic eaters as slings but growth still occurs just at a slower rate. He was smaller then his sack mates at that time but ended up living the longest of all the other males I held back.

 

[MBullock]

Looks like a wet molt

 

[Noodlelove]

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Your pictures are really good. They are also really sad but you did a great job getting a picture. I'm really sorry about this. Such a huge disappointment hurts..

 

[benson1990]

Thanks for all the advice everyone, I'm still a relative newbie to the hobby, I hate losing an animal, any animal.

I'm more assured now that it wasn't husbandry related, I actually got advice on it's setup before I purchased it and got the green light on the forums so I'm comforted by that.

 

[octanejunkie]

Sorry for your loss. It definitely happens.

May I offer you something to consider reading?

Underfeed vs overfeed

I am happy to share my observations, and philosophies, accumulated from keeping and feeding tarantulas in re feeding frequency. If you read no further; less is more when it comes to feeding tarantulas. Tarantulas are wild animals, they are not domesticated, and like most animals are...

www.tarantulaforum.com

 

[WolfSpider]

Sorry for your loss. It definitely happens.

May I offer you something to consider reading?

Underfeed vs overfeed

I am happy to share my observations, and philosophies, accumulated from keeping and feeding tarantulas in re feeding frequency. If you read no further; less is more when it comes to feeding tarantulas. Tarantulas are wild animals, they are not domesticated, and like most animals are...

www.tarantulaforum.com

That article never gets old. Benson certainly did nothing wrong and my heart is saddened for him. But for all keepers it is important to know this information. Like people, fat tarantulas are more inclined toward health problems. Overfeeding seems to be more common among American keepers. Food equates with happiness. We seem to anthropomorphize our pets. I would have to verify with others, but I don't ever recall seeing a big abdomen tarantula in the wild.