You're saying what you think is important. I just don't think the same way as you, and I've heard it so many times, from so many people, and wondered how many people are driven away from the hobby because of things like that. And I may have built up a fair bit of rage reading posts on arachnoboards... I came here to get free of that sh*t. I was just annoyed. And tired.. I apologize. Also, I'm out of chimichangas...
I just don't feel that what works for one person will work for everyone else. I can understand getting an old world early on if one is responsible and knows what they're dealing with. Does that mean I'm going to recommend these species as a first or even a second or third tarantula? Absolutely not. Also there are better old worlds one can start out with besides OBTs and pokies. Augacephalus and Ceratogyrus come to mind.
Of course, watching videos isn't the same as hands on experience, but they can sure help someone learn what they need to know about a species, and how to rehouse it, and how fast it is, and what it's capable of. Owning a Ceratogyrus marshalli doesn't teach a person more about how to deal with an obt then watching an actual video of someone rehousing an obt either..
I responded negatively when you began accusing me of "forcing my fear onto others" and also of treating the OP like a ten year old. Forgive me for using common sense and not making stupid suggestions for a person who has only kept one tarantula. You're reading what you want to read and that's it, you're obviously not paying attention to my entire post. I'm sorry that you disagree with my viewpoint here, but that's too bad. Like I said you tell people you're view on things and I'll tell them mine.
I see your only answering the parts of my post that suit your argument and ignore the rest,basically what I've come to expect from people that start in the hobby with T's that they don't have the experience to be keeping but are in a rush to get them and just blow off any advice from experienced keepers that they don't agree with......
Perhaps they do that because half of that advice is just the experienced keepers opinion, and not necessarily fact...What kind of ego must you have when you give someone advice and think it's gospel, and that they better follow it or they're just ignorant? And uh, you did the EXACT same thing with your comment, so why shouldn't I do it with my reply? I think you're a bit of a hypocrit, and you're just like the typical "experienced" keeper that doesn't like it because someone doesn't agree with them. If you think I'm going to keep listening to this arrogant bullsh*t, and not say anything out of politeness, you're mistaken. It's this attitude that people like you have that holds this hobby back, keeps people from expressing new ideas, etc. , just like at that dog and pony show called arachnoboards. Now, you may have more experience then anyone I know, but that doesn't make you an expert. Personally I think you're a bit full of yourself, like old Chubbs. Do me a favor and stop replying to me, I'd rather speak to people that are open to new ideas and attitudes in this hobby. Have a good one.
No, you implied it with your words. Anyone who reads that post sees it. It's typed plain as day. And no, you don't force people to take your advice, you just belittle them when they don't take it, or agree with it. I've seen your kind before, all over arachnoboards, you post and reply with more ego than logic and intelligence, never stopping to consider you may be wrong, or that other ideas might be the better way. I don't EVER see people like you have a discussion with a new hobbyist, or encourage a new enthusiast, all I see is preaching, trying to convert people to the status quo, trying to make yourself look like some tarantula expert.. Look at you now..such a well known member getting involved in a disagreement that got out of hand...ego. I'm sorry sweety, should I sugar coat my words more for you? I'm used to people taking my comments the wrong way, I'm too blunt spoken, I'm told, but don't think for a minute that anything I've said to you two is untrue, or driven by ego. I've spent four years watching you silly egomaniacs preach instead of teach. And as far as the video thing...I really haven't seen a finer teaching tool anywhere for new hobbyists...you actually see the behavior, the speed, the attitude, the methods for dealing with these....yet you belittle YouTube videos by tarantula keepers trying to teach people something? The only better teacher is experience, yet you constantly discourage people from buying more challenging species..You have something more to offer up in this little joke of an argument, expert? Are you done?
Think maybe you're assuming a little too much?
In answer to your question, no, I don't think it's irresponsible to recommend a campbridgei to someone with just a chalcodes. I don't think so at all. A Poeci or an obt, yes, but a campbridgei, and a comment about their attitude, no. I give people the benefit of the doubt, I guess. I just assume that anyone getting a new species researches them first. Perhaps I do assume too much, but I don't think so. I see new enthusiasts asking questions on YT all of the time. They feel comfortable there, and can ask questions without getting preached at or talked down to.
You sure know me pretty well for a guy who's only been on this forum a few days. Like I said I'm here to stay, so it's too bad that you don't like me. People are going to disagree with you on certain things. Quit acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum and learn to deal with it.
My problem wasn't the fact that you disagreed with me pardner, it was the way in which you did it. I don't respond well to arrogance. Telling me it's a BAD idea, like I just suggested a freaking S calciatum to a new enthusiast. In one fell swoop you managed to make me look irresponsible, because of your opinion. I didn't care for it, and I don't agree. New people to the hobby don't know that many experienced keepers are over cautious to a fault, (probably because of their own mistakes through lack of research or inattention and complacency). I've already stated my reasoning on the topic, in the post you quoted.. My "temper tantrum" was very mild, believe me, and it's not childish to be offended by some of you characters. And no, Avics don't in any way prepare you for a Psalmopoeus. My Avics don't show me half the speed of my irminia..in fact, they remind me of arboreal Brachys, except for the fact that they will casually crawl out sometimes when they have an open top. I then use my hand to pick them up and put them back. None of that is anything like my irminia...my girl could be up my arm and up a wall in a blink.. Research, and actual videos of the genus and its behavior, does prepare you for it, to some extent. The rest has to be learned as you go. You can't hold everyone's hand, and when you try to, you take something away from the whole experience, and discourage people from learning and growing as keepers. You were pissed when I told you not every new keeper is a ten year old, because you KNOW that's how you treat them. Just admit it, if not to me, then at least to yourself. This is how we grow as human beings
Edit: By the way Chubbs, I tried to end this, I apologized for losing my temper a little bit, and you just kept at it. You keep going though, I can do this all year. I've got 4 years of reading the forums at arachnoboards and becoming increasingly angry under my belt. If you want to be the focus of that, just keep it coming, buddy, venting is good for the soul. At some point a moderator will step in slap us both down though, you know this. Do us both a favor and just shut up. This is not the experience I wanted to have on this forum. Go back and read my introductory post. Then read my posts to a few of the newer hobbyists asking questions about keeping..In the words of Social Distortion, Don't drag me down..
My problem wasn't the fact that you disagreed with me pardner, it was the way in which you did it. I don't respond well to arrogance. Telling me it's a BAD idea, like I just suggested a freaking S calciatum to a new enthusiast. In one fell swoop you managed to make me look irresponsible, because of your opinion. I didn't care for it, and I don't agree. New people to the hobby don't know that many experienced keepers are over cautious to a fault, (probably because of their own mistakes through lack of research or inattention and complacency). I've already stated my reasoning on the topic, in the post you quoted.. My "temper tantrum" was very mild, believe me, and it's not childish to be offended by some of you characters. And no, Avics don't in any way prepare you for a Psalmopoeus. My Avics don't show me half the speed of my irminia..in fact, they remind me of arboreal Brachys, except for the fact that they will casually crawl out sometimes when they have an open top. I then use my hand to pick them up and put them back. None of that is anything like my irminia...my girl could be up my arm and up a wall in a blink.. Research, and actual videos of the genus and its behavior, does prepare you for it, to some extent. The rest has to be learned as you go. You can't hold everyone's hand, and when you try to, you take something away from the whole experience, and discourage people from learning and growing as keepers. You were pissed when I told you not every new keeper is a ten year old, because you KNOW that's how you treat them. Just admit it, if not to me, then at least to yourself. This is how we grow as human beings
I'm not "forcing you to agree" to anything, Chubbs, I'm disagreeing with you...and if you'd allowed me to do that earlier without preaching nonsense at me, we wouldn't be having this conversation...THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS CONVERSATION. ARE YOU STUPID?
I could call you all sorts of names but i'm going to be the bigger person here and just let it go. Good luck to ya buddy.
