Grammostola rosea, porteri, RCF, NCF?

[Spots]

I just got a Grammostola rosea, porteri, RCF, NCF; but not really sure what I have exactly.
I checked some images on the internet and my T does not have the pink carapace, it has some red hair, but when I took a photo, it just looks grey and looks nothing like in person.

So I'm thinking red color form? But of rosea or porteri?
Hybrid?

See pictures with some different lightings, like I mentioned, it is a lot more red than these photos.

Fyi, it is about 4 to 5" in DLS. So far it is unsexed, I was not able to view the ventral side clearly yet. It seems to have a white mustache which indicates a female, but it looks a bit leggy which might indicate a male.

Let me know what you guys think.

 

[birdonfire]

G. rosea. The argument is that G. porteri doesn't exist, but it's usually reserved for captive individuals with the pink carapace.

 

[Arachnoclown]

Yours is definitely a rosea. Heres my girls both are over 20 years old now. Porteri on the left and rosea on the right.

 

[Spots]

Yours is definitely a rosea. Heres my girls both are over 20 years old now. Porteri on the left and rosea on the right.View attachment 62733

How are you so sure?
Do porteris have the pink carapace? or is it the other way around?
Do roseas have a reddish hair? or is it the other way around?
And what's the deal with RCF and NCF? My T has reddish hairs (even though the photos does not show it) does it mean it's a RCF?

Thanks

 

[Arachnoclown]

Porteri=NCF
Rosea=RCF

 

[Arachnoclown]

G. rosea. The argument is that G. porteri doesn't exist, but it's usually reserved for captive individuals with the pink carapace.

The world spider catalog recognizes two separate species.

 

[DustyD]

Arachnoclown has talked about this before to at least some degree and maybe he will chime in.

I think it is fairly complicated and convaluted and the issue muddied by the intentional or unwitting crossbreeding of these tarantulas. Maybe it occurs in nature, I don't know.

Even within the RCF designation there seems to be variations on the extent of the "red"

I have three G. rosea all described as RCF. One I bought as a 2"+ whose carapace is very pink, but whose legs seem to have red and pinkish "hairs"

Since then, I purchased two slings from Eresus Spider shop that were advertised as below but which are way too young to be sporting those colors just yet. I am hoping.
But regardless of what color they are, they are amazing creatures that make me smile, laugh (and worry some).

 

[Spots]

Arachnoclown has talked about this before to at least some degree and maybe he will chime in.

I think it is fairly complicated and convaluted and the issue muddied by the intentional or unwitting crossbreeding of these tarantulas. Maybe it occurs in nature, I don't know.

Even within the RCF designation there seems to be variations on the extent of the "red"

I have three G. rosea all described as RCF. One I bought as a 2"+ whose carapace is very pink, but whose legs seem to have red and pinkish "hairs"

View attachment 62734

Since then, I purchased two slings from Eresus Spider shop that were advertised as below but which are way too young to be sporting those colors just yet. I am hoping.
But regardless of what color they are, they are amazing creatures that make me smile, laugh (and worry some).
View attachment 62735

So, top picture is porteri and bottom picture is rosea?
Porteri has pink carapace and rosea has reddish hairs?

 

[DustyD]

So, top picture is porteri and bottom picture is rosea?
Porteri has pink carapace and rosea has reddish hairs?

Actually they are both supposed to be rosea. Red Color Form, hence the confusion or maybe just my confusion.

The top one who I named Harrison Bottom or Harry for short might be a mix between the two or a lighter version of red, or porteri. I am not clear where he stands. It could be an age thing to where the colors change. The porteri I have seen posted on various websites seem to be grayer.

 

[Spots]

Which of these two is more common?

 

[DustyD]

I don't know, but I have seen more and more RCF being advertised.

 

[Arachnoclown]

Porteri....

Rosea...

 

[Arachnoclown]

Arachnoclown has talked about this before to at least some degree and maybe he will chime in.

I think it is fairly complicated and convaluted and the issue muddied by the intentional or unwitting crossbreeding of these tarantulas. Maybe it occurs in nature, I don't know.

Even within the RCF designation there seems to be variations on the extent of the "red"

I have three G. rosea all described as RCF. One I bought as a 2"+ whose carapace is very pink, but whose legs seem to have red and pinkish "hairs"

View attachment 62734

Since then, I purchased two slings from Eresus Spider shop that were advertised as below but which are way too young to be sporting those colors just yet. I am hoping.
But regardless of what color they are, they are amazing creatures that make me smile, laugh (and worry some).
View attachment 62735

Your top photo appears to be more porteri then rosea to me. Male?

 

[DustyD]

Yes male. He was sexed on this site ventrally, although I have not confirmed it through molt.

And I too was thinking the coloration more reflected Porteri. But I am not sure how his color will change in adulthood. There does seem to be some red color as well as a brighter more obvious pink.

Thanks Arachnoclown.

The only real issue will come when he matures and I lend him out as a stud, if I should choose to do that. I do not want to dilute the species. But there is time.

 

[Arachnoclown]

Yes male. He was sexed on this site ventrally, although I have not confirmed it through molt.

And I too was thinking the coloration more reflected Porteri. But I am not sure how his color will change in adulthood. There does seem to be some red color as well as a brighter more obvious pink.

Thanks Arachnoclown.

The only real issue will come when he matures and I lend him out as a stud, if I should choose to do that. I do not want to dilute the species. But there is time.

He looked alot like my old male porteri I had before he matured....then he looked like this.

He passed on many years ago. I never paired him just because of all the hybrids out there and I didn't know his history. Both of my females (in the previous photos) were wild caught slings back in 1998 and 1999.

 

[DustyD]

Great thanks!