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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tortoise Tom" data-source="post: 149728" data-attributes="member: 27883">Metalman explained this one.State laws vary, but a resident of one state can't buy a gun out of state and bring it back with them. To buy out of state you have to send the money to a seller and the seller ships the gun across state lines to a FFL holder (Federal Firearms License) in your own state. Then you have to go fill out paperwork (DROS), pay some fees, and verify your identity. Then the FFL sends in your info to the NICS (National Instant Check System), and waits for a response. If you pass, and the gun is legal in your state, you can have your gun. What I just described is how it is done in the states here in America that are still "free" states without stupid pointless draconian gun laws that make it difficult for people to freely exercise their rights. So that was the easy version. I live in CA, and its much more difficult here to buy a gun. When you see on the news how easy it is to buy a gun in America, that's one of those media lies I told you about. Only people who have never bought a gun say that. It ain't easy even in the free states. In CA we have to study for, and pass, a test to get a license to buy a gun. Then we have to do all of the above mentioned stuff from the other states. Then if we pass the NCIS background check, we have to wait 10 days to pick up our new gun. This is supposed to be a "cooling off" period. Meaning that if someone gets mad at their neighbor, they can't just go down to the store, buy a gun and come home with it and shoot their neighbor. First of all, murder is already illegal and no one is going to take the time to go to the store wait in line, do a background check, do all the paperwork, and then go home and commit a crime of passion. You're so exhausted at the end of the process, that you don't even remember why you were mad. Even still, lets hypothetically say someone believes this cooling off process would save lives. Why do I have to wait 10 days if I already own several other guns that I could use to commit a crime if I was so inclined? Then you have to pass a test at the gun store counter on how to handle, store and use your gun. Even if you already have a secure gun safe to lock up your new gun, you are required to buy a trigger lock with every new gun. I can't even bring an unused new trigger lock with me to pick up a new gun. I'm required to buy a new one each time. I have a box of unused trigger locks collecting dust outside my safe.Then CA tells you how to store it and transport it. In the major cities of CA you can't get a permit to carry your gun. Many types of guns are illegal here for no good reason. Now they want us to pass a background check to buy ammo. Standard and high capacity mags have been banned here for decades. So have the intentionally mis-named "assault weapons" been banned since 1994. Yet two of those highest crime rate cities in the video are here in CA. All the restrictions make it more difficult, and impossible in some cases for a law abiding citizen to get a gun. Yet, as you can see, none of it does anything to deter gang members and other criminals from committing violent crimes. It just leaves the good guys defenseless.So someone from crime ridden Detroit cannot go buy a gun across state lines and bring it back. To even attempt to do so is a crime. The media doesn't want you to know this, or any of the other facts that destroy their arguments. Gun control doesn't work. Not anywhere, not anytime. More gun control won't work any better. The best solution is to level the playing field. Go to any prison and the bad guys will tell you that fear of being shot by their intended victims is the greatest crime deterrent there is. Facts and statistics, like some of the ones pointed out by Bill in the video, prove what I am saying, in spite of all the media lies. In fact, our own elected officials, up to and including Obama himself, are actively helping murderers get guns to make the "gun problem" seem greater and scarier than it really is. Seems like and outrageous and unfounded claim? Look up "Operation Fast and Furious". They've openly admitted to it and Holder resigned to save himself from prosecution and public ridicule. There are many more cases like this one too, I'm sad to say.You don't consider any of those 110 of 218 countries that have higher murder rates than the US "developed"? I think we may have a different definition of this word. And what about when we eliminate the top 10 Democrat controlled crime ridden cities with the most stringent gun control in the country, which would make us rate much farther down that list? Are none of those nations "developed" either? The point is: Its is nowhere near as bad as the media wants Americans and people like you all over the world to believe. I wish it were zero. I wish we were last on that list, but unfortunately we have gangs, the war on drugs, and a bunch of socialists that have been working on tearing down the fabric of what makes American society so great for decades. All of these elements and many more contribute to the crime rates here.Here are some more facts to ponder:[ATTACH=full]37066[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

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