Pterinochilus murinus "Brown Form" where are they?

[DTG]

I am curious if anyone knows why the Starburst Baboon has not been imported in the last few years to the U.S.? I had them back in the nineties, but I have not seen any for sale in the last couple years. Is anybody still keepng them? DTG

 

[Ceratogyrus]

Seems like when the Orange ones became available, people stopped breeding the normal ones. I have a few darker ones myself though.

 

[Tomoran]

Seems like when the Orange ones became available, people stopped breeding the normal ones. I have a few darker ones myself though.

I would love to get a hold of one of these. It's a shame that they were allowed to basically disappear from the hobby. Have you bred or plan to breed these, Ceratogyrus?

 

[Ceratogyrus]

Unfortunately these are highly regulated here in South Africa, so I only have a keeping permit

 

[Tomoran]

Unfortunately these are highly regulated here in South Africa, so I only have a keeping permit

Ahh...I understand. And even if you were able to breed them, I'm in the states, so it wouldn't do me much good! What a gorgeous species, though...

 

[Ceratogyrus]

Yeah, working on breeding permits for SA, but wouldn't be able to send that way anyway

 

[DTG]

That is a beatiful specimen. I have heard that a few people still have some of the brown form here in the U.S., but I have yet to run across them. I hope they will eventually return to the hobby. I miss mine

 

[Tomoran]

Yeah, working on breeding permits for SA, but wouldn't be able to send that way anyway

Well, best of luck on obtaining the permits. If you get them, I do hope you share any breeding news.

 

[Tomoran]

That is a beatiful specimen. I have heard that a few people still have some of the brown form here in the U.S., but I have yet to run across them. I hope they will eventually return to the hobby. I miss mine

I've heard there are, too, but I've never seen slings for sale. If you do get any leads on these, please share!

 

[DTG]

Will do

 

[Poec54]

Seems like when the Orange ones became available, people stopped breeding the normal ones. I have a few darker ones myself though.

+1. The brown ones with a green carapace were the common form in the 1990's, called 'starburst baboon.' The orange form was still scarce then, and the species wasn't known so it was called 'Usambara' for the mountain range in Tanzania. I bred both back then. I got out of the hobby for a few years, and now the brown ones are gone, and the orange form is everywhere.

 

[DTG]

It just seems strange that it dropped out of the hobby, I am wondering if the brown forms were bred into the oranges or if people just quit keeping them. It would seem to be a lack of importation issue that they aren't in the hobby anymore. I am just hoping someone still has them. I miss having them in my collection

 

[Poec54]

It just seems strange that it dropped out of the hobby, I am wondering if the brown forms were bred into the oranges or if people just quit keeping them. It would seem to be a lack of importation issue that they aren't in the hobby anymore. I am just hoping someone still has them. I miss having them in my collection

In the 1990's the orange form was the most desirable by far and I doubt anyone would have diluted that with the brown form. Prices on the ornage form have fallen a lot since then.

I'm sure the brown form is in Europe, and cheap. They probably assume we're still not interested. People need to let their dealer/importers know there's a demand for them once again (we are a fickle bunch). There's also a grey/black we need to get established here too.

 

[Ghost]

In the 1990's the orange form was the most desirable by far and I doubt anyone would have diluted that with the brown form. Prices on the ornage form have fallen a lot since then.

I'm sure the brown form is in Europe, and cheap. They probably assume we're still not interested. People need to let their dealer/importers know there's a demand for them once again (we are a fickle bunch). There's also a grey/black we need to get established here too.

I have been looking for the brown form over here in the UK for a while now without any luck I have even checked the lists of breeders in Germany and Poland and still have had no luck.
Like you guys in the USA I have not seen the brown form in many years over here but I refuse to give up hope I'm just probably going to have to wait a while.

 

[Tomoran]

I can see why the orange form would have become more popular for time; they are a striking spider. However, I'm a bit surprised at the short-sighted, even if accidental, decision by breeders to let the brown form disappear from the US hobby. I understand the principal of supply and demand, and that raising this form probably wasn't as lucrative, but to have no one interested in them? That's a true shame. I will definitely send out a couple emails to dealers with the ability to import and see if we can't get some stateside. I hope others might do the same.

Of course, the irony is that the orange form is a dime a dozen now, with many folks giving them away.

A grey/black version you say? Oh, wow.

 

[Tomoran]

I have been looking for the brown form over here in the UK for a while now without any luck I have even checked the lists of breeders in Germany and Poland and still have had no luck.
Like you guys in the USA I have not seen the brown form in many years over here but I refuse to give up hope I'm just probably going to have to wait a while.

Oh, wow...there, too? This is disheartening...

 

[Poec54]

I can see why the orange form would have become more popular for time; they are a striking spider. However, I'm a bit surprised at the short-sighted, even if accidental, decision by breeders to let the brown form disappear from the US hobby. I understand the principal of supply and demand, and that raising this form probably wasn't as lucrative, but to have no one interested in them? .

Remember, the brown color form was coming in as w/c in the mid/late 1990's, and most people didn't want OW's back then. It's only been in the last 10 years that OW's have caught on. And by then the brown murinus weren't being imported anymore.

Ken the Bug Guy recently got in a shipment from Tanzania, and which murinus color form did he get? The orange one!

 

[Tomoran]

Remember, the brown color form was coming in as w/c in the mid/late 1990's, and most people didn't want OW's back then. It's only been in the last 10 years that OW's have caught on. And by then the brown murinus weren't being imported anymore.

Ken the Bug Guy recently got in a shipment from Tanzania, and which murinus color form did he get? The orange one!

Ha! I was just checking my emails for the Tanzania shipment details; you beat me to it. He was one of the ones I was thinking of contacting. Perhaps if enough folks but a bug in his ear for a future shipment...

Ahhh, I was thinking about demand these days, and forgot that it was the 90s. That definitely makes much more sense.

 

[DTG]

Poec, I bred the brown form in the nineties, they were one of the first sacks I hatched out. With that in mind, I am sure you hatched them and Bryant, and Mark Hart, so we would have had enough males maturing into the first part of this century to keep them going. I have heard through the grapevine that the starburst was being bred into the Usambara form , but I have not actually run across anyone who actually claims to have done it. In the nineties the word was that the brown form was very common. I had also heard that there was a population in Florida. I only heard it once, and have not heard it again, so it was probably not true. Either way I want them back in my collection

 

[Ceratogyrus]

I was offered some serious money by a few people for my darker form, so not sure exactly how common these are in the European hobby actually.