Lacy Act Question

[BrokenRay]

Here is an article that is interesting:

thetkc.org

I read it and I'm confused now. So what I gather it is illegal to sell and own Brazilian species. It also says if you do have them Fish & Game states to keep it/them and care for it/them since it's a living creature.

So what the hell are we to take away from this? I have a G. pulchra so this is something that pertains to me, I got a headache.

 

[Casey K.]

@Austin S. gave a list of Brazilian species that were in the "safe" zone or that wouldn't pertain to this. I think (if I am not mistaken) that pulchra are on that list but I'd have to go back and take a look.....he posted it here on the forum.

 

[Redsycthe]

Had questions in a previous thread about this. So the take away is they get to pick and choose what species they want to enforce?

 

[Redsycthe]

I have several Brazilian species.

L. Parahybana
N. Coloratovillosus
A. Geniculata

 

[Casey K.]

I have pulchra, nhandu's, etc.....I'm not worried about owning/selling them. They can't prove that the one's you have didn't come down the line of one's that were in the hobby prior to this taking effect through the lacey act.

 

[Redsycthe]

I have pulchra, nhandu's, etc.....I'm not worried about owning/selling them. They can't prove that the one's you have didn't come down the line of one's that were in the hobby prior to this taking effect through the lacey act.

Thanks Casey!! Why is the T.seledonia different in the above situation?

 

[octanejunkie]

Here are a few interesting articles/videos, and specifically T. seledonia

Bat Boy's dilemma

The Future of US Imports, organized by Amy Salinas

There are only a few hobbyists that do not know Tom Patterson who is well-known in keeping and … Amy Salinas needs your support for The Future of US Imports

www.gofundme.com

On to Poecilotheria

Endangered and Threatened Wildlife and Plants; Endangered Species Status for Five Poecilotheria Tarantula Species From Sri Lanka

We, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service), determine endangered species status under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, as amended, for the following five tarantula species from Sri Lanka: Poecilotheria fasciata, P. ornata, P. smithi, P. subfusca, and P. vittata. The effect of this...

www.federalregister.gov

Happy reading!

 

[BrokenRay]

The G. pulchra is listed.

What I came away with is if your sling came from wild caught specimens. So the confusing part for me is how do you know or prove it. Then on top of that is Fish & Game says it's illegal to own but if you have them to keep and take care of them which is completelycontradicting.

I am confused over this.

I think for people like me we could use a better explanation by a member here on what it exactly means for people like me that just bought a sling from a breeder.

 

[octanejunkie]

Technically, all Brazilian species are "illegal" since the document says Brazil claims to never have allowed legal export of any of their endemic species of Tarantula.

Not sure if I read that wrong but apparently we're all criminals okay thanks

 

[Redsycthe]

Here are a few interesting articles/videos, and specifically T. seledonia

Bat Boy's dilemma

The Future of US Imports, organized by Amy Salinas

There are only a few hobbyists that do not know Tom Patterson who is well-known in keeping and … Amy Salinas needs your support for The Future of US Imports

www.gofundme.com

On to Poecilotheria

Endangered and Threatened Wildlife and Plants; Endangered Species Status for Five Poecilotheria Tarantula Species From Sri Lanka

We, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service), determine endangered species status under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, as amended, for the following five tarantula species from Sri Lanka: Poecilotheria fasciata, P. ornata, P. smithi, P. subfusca, and P. vittata. The effect of this...

www.federalregister.gov

Happy reading!

Thank you!! So Tom P. is being treated like a Tarantula Sicario. I think is complete BS, because responsible hobbyists really keep these species flourishing.

 

[Redsycthe]

Technically, all Brazilian species are "illegal" since the document says Brazil claims to never have allowed legal export of any of their endemic species of Tarantula.

Not sure if I read that wrong but apparently we're all criminals okay thanks

Just noting that compared to other Brazilian species T. Seledonia only have 20-30 offspring. I'm assuming other Brazilian species have much more,and are easier to breed. That's why enforcement is much more difficult on the other species?

 

[Redsycthe]

I'm getted Learnded!!! LOL

 

[BrokenRay]

Here are a few interesting articles/videos, and specifically T. seledonia

Bat Boy's dilemma

The Future of US Imports, organized by Amy Salinas

There are only a few hobbyists that do not know Tom Patterson who is well-known in keeping and … Amy Salinas needs your support for The Future of US Imports

www.gofundme.com

On to Poecilotheria

Endangered and Threatened Wildlife and Plants; Endangered Species Status for Five Poecilotheria Tarantula Species From Sri Lanka

We, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service), determine endangered species status under the Endangered Species Act of 1973, as amended, for the following five tarantula species from Sri Lanka: Poecilotheria fasciata, P. ornata, P. smithi, P. subfusca, and P. vittata. The effect of this...

www.federalregister.gov

Happy reading!

Thanks for all that information it definitely put me at ease and gives a better explanation. Now I'm not worried about my G. pulchra.

It is irony that Brazil gives the go ahead on destroying it's own forest but God forbid exporting any tarantulas, very sad. It is the people in the T hobby that keep species thriving especially ones that have been wiped out in their eco system.

You would think the government would get this. Then again we are talking about the government.

 

[PanzoN88]

@Austin S. gave a list of Brazilian species that were in the "safe" zone or that wouldn't pertain to this. I think (if I am not mistaken) that pulchra are on that list but I'd have to go back and take a look.....he posted it here on the forum.

I messaged him on Instagram a while back about the topic somewhat. It may help clarify some things here on the thread, not sure if I should post a screenshot or wait. What has already been said on the topic here on the thread aligns with what I read in the message for the most part.

 

[octanejunkie]

A government selling foresting rights is a financial decision. They can monetize their own ecology, landscape for the betterment of the country if they so choose, that is their right as elected (or self-appointed) representatives of their people.

A government can also ban the export of any product, species or item endemic to their country if they so choose. However, once the genie is out of the bottle it's hard to retroactively recall said genie, but they can TRY to enforce it if they get other governments to play along.

The UN is a huge enabler of this kind of behavior and sadly any country trying to negotiate a favorable treaty or trade agreement with another country will often agree to BS like the Lacey Act to move their agenda and deal forward.