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Indigo

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My female GGB has been acting extremely different these last two months, I'd say her behavior to me is getting more concerning because I'm looking into possible issues but none seem to fit, so it's hard to find a solution! Is there even anything wrong? Time is passing and I feel like I'm not doing anything when I should be.
Someone help me please! :(

Facts:

- SUCCESSFUL 4TH MOLT
Successfully completed her last and final molt months ago, seemed to be perfectly normal, only her abdomen to me still looks below average size. I was told it will fill up with time, but it seems skinner than before.
- SMALL BUT HARMLESS ABDOMEN

Despite a small abdomen, she bounced back quickly and normally after molt, seemed to be just fine with no question to a possible bad molt.

- NOT AS ACTIVE/ DECREASED ACTIVITY
2 months ago, she just seemed slower, I NEVER catch her moving around her cage like I used to. Very rarely I'd glance over and catch her making a slow motion movement but she stops, almost as if she knows I'm looking.

- COLOR, SIZE, FANGS, HAIRS, EVERYTHING LOOKS HEALTHY.

- I CHANGE WATER/FEED AS REGULARLY AS POSSIBLE.

-Seems like shes ALWAYS on the walls of her tank. NEVER goes into her hide.

- Spilled a major puddle of water a few weeks ago, and didn't do anything about it. It soaked into the dirt and the next morning she built web all along the ground like a sidewalk; she walks perfectly fine over it and doesn't seem uncomfortable.

- CARVINGS IN THE AIR HOLES OF HER TANK
Heard tapping a few weeks ago, I'm assuming she tries to escape. Scratches in the plastic probably from her fangs gripping the walls.

- WHITE STUFF ON TANK WALLS AND FLOOR CORNERS.
Looks like poop or tiny specs of white cream color balls. Seem completely harmless.

- NO THREATS DETECTED IN TANKLE
Nothing is moving, or growing. Doesn't seem like there is anything living of concern in the tank. I would watch closely for so long, observing with a flash light and find nothing of concern at all.

- TOO HOT/TOO COLD?
The temperature in my room can very when I'm not home; who knows if she gets too cold when no one turns the main house heater on or if is left on and my room gets stuffy with no window opened?
But for the most part I maintain an appropriate temperature I'd say.

- SHRIVELLED, NOODLE, LOOSELY CURLED LEGS
A couple of times, maybe 5 or 6 times these past 2 months I catch her legs looking squiggly. She is just sitting on the wall of her tank and they look damaged but after sometime she just stretches them out again. She isn't dehydrated because her water dish is always full and fresh. And it isn't from the molt because she only recently began to show this.

- SEEMS LIKE LESS WEBBING
It doesn't look like there is as much webbing filling her tank as before. The webbing now looks pathetic, stringy as if she isn't trying or doesn't care to fill her tank up with Web everyw here.

- NO SIGNS OF:
Dehydration- she never hovers and there is always water. If anything, this past week she hasn't drank at all, her dish is still completely full. Which it never stays full to the top for long.
-Doesn't make sudden jerks or rapid movement
-Doesn't look like she is dragging her body or in pain when she moves

- STAYS IN ONE PLACE FOREVER

-MOVES SO SLOW, NORMAL STRIDES BUT LIKE IN SLOW MOTION AND RARELY GOES FAR.

- IT'S EVEN MORE RARE TO CATCH HER ACTING NORMAL. I think I've seen it twice since everything started. And again it's just for a few seconds after I walk in and then she never does it again as long astory far as I'm seeing.

-She's slightly moved somethings around in her tank. Branches that I had perked up or leaning on things arent in the same place, just slightly though.

- She isn't active when I give her attention anymore, now she just pauses so hard she looks like a statue. I used to talk to her or watch her closely and shed just be SO ACTIVE no matter what, anything active and normal that you could imagine, and now, nothing at all, just solid stiff paused.

I guess that's all I can tell.
Any ideas?!
 

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part of keeping them sadly...I mean the alternative to outliving your spider is not something I want to happen personally so...such is life i guess. :)
 

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Not sure it's a mature male: I can clearly see the pedipalp on the left without any bulb. Either a female or a not mature male ;-)


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Hi Nicholas,
As you know, I was told/sold a female with years of life left- so this is very disappointing to find out. I'm not sure how much time my little one has left if so a male. But if you're saying she might just as well be a female, then any advice on what I am doing wrong? Any solutions to solve my initial problem?
 

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For what it's worth, descriptions sound like mature male (@Bugmom), but as @Nicolas C already pointed out, I don't see any spurs on the palps either. although you say nothing in the sub, when was the last time it was Completely cleaned? may be worthwhile. not an accurate way to sex by any stretch of the imagination and GBBS are not that chunky in the leg department anyway, but the legs do look a bit elongated and slim (a not very accurate indicator for male). A bit of a mystery. sorry can't help further.
 

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I'm not sure how anyone could determine if there are spurs or palpal bulbs from that photo though. Tapping on the cage, stringy webs (sperm webs - that's about all a MM is going to web), small abdomen, wonky legs (MMs do seem to walk and sit in weird positions, what with being all leggy). That all sounds like a mature male to me. If it's not, then I would say that something is not right with the T, but what it is, is anyone's guess.
 

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I'm not sure how anyone could determine if there are spurs or palpal bulbs from that photo though. Tapping on the cage, stringy webs (sperm webs - that's about all a MM is going to web), small abdomen, wonky legs (MMs do seem to walk and sit in weird positions, what with being all leggy). That all sounds like a mature male to me. If it's not, then I would say that something is not right with the T, but what it is, is anyone's guess.
enlarged picture, you can easily see no bulbs or hooks on either leg or palp.
palp1.png palp2.png hook.png

As to what's wrong i have no idea, but here's my guesses ;)

- NOT AS ACTIVE/ DECREASED ACTIVITY
2 months ago, she just seemed slower, I NEVER catch her moving around her cage like I used to. Very rarely I'd glance over and catch her making a slow motion movement but she stops, almost as if she knows I'm looking.

- COLOR, SIZE, FANGS, HAIRS, EVERYTHING LOOKS HEALTHY.
Nothing around the mouth area? no fluid or anything?
- I CHANGE WATER/FEED AS REGULARLY AS POSSIBLE.

-Seems like shes ALWAYS on the walls of her tank. NEVER goes into her hide.
I took the hide out of my 2 GBB enclosures, they just webbed them over and ignored them. Both of mine spend all their time in their web tunnels.
- Spilled a major puddle of water a few weeks ago, and didn't do anything about it. It soaked into the dirt and the next morning she built web all along the ground like a sidewalk; she walks perfectly fine over it and doesn't seem uncomfortable.
Sound's like tripwires, both of mine webbed the whole floor of the enclosure and use it to detect prey. I blast a hole through it with the spray bottle to fill the water dish, then they web it back over.
- CARVINGS IN THE AIR HOLES OF HER TANK
Heard tapping a few weeks ago, I'm assuming she tries to escape. Scratches in the plastic probably from her fangs gripping the walls.
with the other items listed i'd agree she's trying to get out. There's gotta be something in the tank she's not happy with.
- WHITE STUFF ON TANK WALLS AND FLOOR CORNERS.
Looks like poop or tiny specs of white cream color balls. Seem completely harmless.
Agreed, sounds like poop, the balls i'd guess are the bolus.
- NO THREATS DETECTED IN TANKLE
Nothing is moving, or growing. Doesn't seem like there is anything living of concern in the tank. I would watch closely for so long, observing with a flash light and find nothing of concern at all.
Has to be something in there she doesn't like the way she's behaving. Agree with @Phil, replace all the substrate.
- TOO HOT/TOO COLD?
The temperature in my room can very when I'm not home; who knows if she gets too cold when no one turns the main house heater on or if is left on and my room gets stuffy with no window opened?
But for the most part I maintain an appropriate temperature I'd say.
What are the temps? mine are kept 75-80F give or take a couple degrees either way on the coldest and warmest days. Rule of thumb - if your comfy in a tshirt they should be fine.
- SEEMS LIKE LESS WEBBING
It doesn't look like there is as much webbing filling her tank as before. The webbing now looks pathetic, stringy as if she isn't trying or doesn't care to fill her tank up with Web everyw here.
Could be a change in attitude from the molt.
- NO SIGNS OF:
Dehydration- she never hovers and there is always water. If anything, this past week she hasn't drank at all, her dish is still completely full. Which it never stays full to the top for long.
-Doesn't make sudden jerks or rapid movement
-Doesn't look like she is dragging her body or in pain when she moves
I've never once seen either of my GBB's drink from the dish. majority of their hydration comes from prey.
- STAYS IN ONE PLACE FOREVER

-MOVES SO SLOW, NORMAL STRIDES BUT LIKE IN SLOW MOTION AND RARELY GOES FAR.

- IT'S EVEN MORE RARE TO CATCH HER ACTING NORMAL. I think I've seen it twice since everything started. And again it's just for a few seconds after I walk in and then she never does it again as long astory far as I'm seeing.
To me that screams something is wrong in the tank, she's on guard watching it or trying not to disturb it.
-She's slightly moved somethings around in her tank. Branches that I had perked up or leaning on things arent in the same place, just slightly though.
Nothing wrong there, that's normal. Mine will move branches or leaves just slightly to where they want them, or drag them across the enclosure, depends on their mood.
- She isn't active when I give her attention anymore, now she just pauses so hard she looks like a statue. I used to talk to her or watch her closely and shed just be SO ACTIVE no matter what, anything active and normal that you could imagine, and now, nothing at all, just solid stiff paused.

I guess that's all I can tell.
Any ideas?!

I'd start with a full substrate change and clean the enclosure, i was mine with Dawn and rinse thruroughly. Also make sure there is plenty of ventilation, cross ventilation is best if you can do that with your enclosure. Replace the branches and whatnot if possible, or clean them well if you can't.

What are you using for substrate? i use a mix of peat moss and eco earth coco fiber half and half, seems to do very well, plus it's light so i don't have to make big holes in the walls for the larger sheet rock anchors to put the enclosures on the shelves ;)

How about pics of the full setup? maybe one of us can see something there.
 

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enlarged picture, you can easily see no bulbs or hooks on either leg or palp.
View attachment 20602 View attachment 20603 View attachment 20604

As to what's wrong i have no idea, but here's my guesses ;)


Nothing around the mouth area? no fluid or anything?

I took the hide out of my 2 GBB enclosures, they just webbed them over and ignored them. Both of mine spend all their time in their web tunnels.

Sound's like tripwires, both of mine webbed the whole floor of the enclosure and use it to detect prey. I blast a hole through it with the spray bottle to fill the water dish, then they web it back over.
with the other items listed i'd agree she's trying to get out. There's gotta be something in the tank she's not happy with.

Agreed, sounds like poop, the balls i'd guess are the bolus.

Has to be something in there she doesn't like the way she's behaving. Agree with @Phil, replace all the substrate.

What are the temps? mine are kept 75-80F give or take a couple degrees either way on the coldest and warmest days. Rule of thumb - if your comfy in a tshirt they should be fine.

Could be a change in attitude from the molt.

I've never once seen either of my GBB's drink from the dish. majority of their hydration comes from prey.

To me that screams something is wrong in the tank, she's on guard watching it or trying not to disturb it.

Nothing wrong there, that's normal. Mine will move branches or leaves just slightly to where they want them, or drag them across the enclosure, depends on their mood.


I'd start with a full substrate change and clean the enclosure, i was mine with Dawn and rinse thruroughly. Also make sure there is plenty of ventilation, cross ventilation is best if you can do that with your enclosure. Replace the branches and whatnot if possible, or clean them well if you can't.

What are you using for substrate? i use a mix of peat moss and eco earth coco fiber half and half, seems to do very well, plus it's light so i don't have to make big holes in the walls for the larger sheet rock anchors to put the enclosures on the shelves ;)

How about pics of the full setup? maybe one of us can see something there.
What a very helpful and comprehensive response. I hope the OP sees this ☺
 

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I second @kormath on his very good analysis. Maybe your T is a male, but he's not mature yet.

In other words:
- Could be the substrate (mites infestation, too much moisture - GBB like it bone dry, etc.); changing it and cleaning the enclosure could be a solution.
- Could be the temps (too hot or too cold); shouldn't be too difficult to adjust them. If you don't know how much the temp vary in your room while you're away, you could buy a cheap thermometer which can store datas of upper/lower temps a day. Watch out where the enclosure is standing (near a window? etc.).
- Could be the consequences of a bad molt: it happened to one of my Grammostola iheringi, I never knew what was wrong, but maybe the fangs were damaged by the molt, or maybe some internal problems... it died after some months of weird behavior; in this case, there's nothing you can do.
- Could be a worm problem (nematods): that's why kormath asked about the fluid around the mouth; other clues are lots of webbing, pedipalps bent inwards toward the mouth, erratic behavior; in this case, there are some treatments you could try, but I really cannot tell if they work.
- Could be something else that I cannot understand. Of course.

Is she eating on a regular basis?
 

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Sorry, I've been busy with school and neglecting the forums. I searched your post history when I saw your ad. It is a female, and not mature yet. She doesn't even have her adult coloring - note the gold carapace. If I had to guess, I would say she deformed her legs in her last molt and is uncomfortable. You say it has developed since the molt, so I really don't know. If she's molted 4 times since you got her, she definitely needs a bigger enclosure now. I realize that now you're selling her, but I want to assure you that she is female (I bought her as female, and confirmed it with a molt before selling) and also that she is not yet mature. She does look pretty leggy but I think that's a function of her being underweight. If she'll eat, let her gobble as much as she wants for a little while.
 

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Sorry, I've been busy with school and neglecting the forums. I searched your post history when I saw your ad. It is a female, and not mature yet. She doesn't even have her adult coloring - note the gold carapace. If I had to guess, I would say she deformed her legs in her last molt and is uncomfortable. You say it has developed since the molt, so I really don't know. If she's molted 4 times since you got her, she definitely needs a bigger enclosure now. I realize that now you're selling her, but I want to assure you that she is female (I bought her as female, and confirmed it with a molt before selling) and also that she is not yet mature. She does look pretty leggy but I think that's a function of her being underweight. If she'll eat, let her gobble as much as she wants for a little while.
Female gbbs are leggy because the species is leggy..I noticed that awhile back. If Thistles sold her to you, and she says she confirmed it was a female by molt, then its a female, and should be priced as such (I saw your other sale post). Thistles and I have our differences but she has always struck me as honest. Just my dos pesos.
 

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Female gbbs are leggy because the species is leggy..I noticed that awhile back. If Thistles sold her to you, and she says she confirmed it was a female by molt, then its a female, and should be priced as such (I saw your other sale post). Thistles and I have our differences but she has always struck me as honest. Just my dos pesos.
Thanks, Mass. It actually means more coming from you. I appreciate it.
 

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Female gbbs are leggy because the species is leggy..I noticed that awhile back. If Thistles sold her to you, and she says she confirmed it was a female by molt, then its a female, and should be priced as such (I saw your other sale post). Thistles and I have our differences but she has always struck me as honest. Just my dos pesos.
I'll second that.
 

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