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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whitelightning777" data-source="post: 125800" data-attributes="member: 26980">Someone still pulled the trigger in those shootings. You fail to factor in the number of lives saved by guns each year, 2 million, via self defense.When that is factored in, the net fatality rate is zero.  In 9 out of 10 cases of self defense, no shots are fired.  This is for all cases of self defense and or defense of others by civilians and police--a Grand total.The NRA has excellent stats on this and their armed response blogs of people writing in discussing these events is an excellent resource.The problems arising from guns occur mainly because of social stratification. When a small elite group of mafia type gangsters and armed government officials have guns while no one else does, it quickly leads to abuses of power.In places like Vermont and Texas where practically anyone can be armed, incidents are extremely rare.</blockquote>