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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thistles" data-source="post: 128956" data-attributes="member: 3949">You're wrong about mother nature. Most hybrids produced in the hobby would never meet in the wild. They're closely related, but they've speciated due to geography. A cambridgei and an irminia are recently diverged, hence the fertility, but would never meet in the wild because their ranges don't overlap. The ones that are duds are typically the ones that are so far apart that they can share ranges without producing natural hybrids. When this sort of thing (geography changes etc) occurs in nature and closely related species are brought together, there's an extinction of one or both.Then you say "should breed." How is that optimal? "Could" would be one thing, but you jump all the way to "possible therefore SHOULD." Does no evaluation of priorities come into play? Would the hobby prefer to have 2 distinct species or one mix? I know where I come down on that.The hobby hybrids are unnatural. If they weren't, they would be present in the wild. "I aint interested" in disagreement is a terrible attitude regardless of the issue up for debate. You might be wrong, and if you don't listen to others you'll continue to be wrong.</blockquote>