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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tortoise Tom" data-source="post: 134899" data-attributes="member: 27883">This is new to the spider world, but we've been dealing with this for tortoises for many years now. Oddly enough, only two tortoise species are covered: Galapagos and Radiata. All others, no matter how rare or endangered are not covered under these CBW permit rules.It is perfectly legal to ship them across state lines as a gift or on a "breeding loan" with ut anyone having a CBW permit on either end. It is perfectly legal to sell these species to another resident of your own home state and within your own home state with no CBW permits. It is only illegal to SELL them across state lines. Trading for other species is considered compensation and would constitute a sale. They used to allow trade in the same species, say trading some radiata babies for some radiata adults to keep bloodlines diverse in a breeding program, but they are now frowning upon that. It is also perfectly legal to haul your own animals across state lines if you are moving, or even just traveling, because you are not "selling" them and no compensation changed hands.Beware the temptation to "give them away" to out of state friends. If ever there is an investigation and they discover ANYTHING that could be construed as compensation, you could be charged with a Federal crime.The comment that all of our Pokies are "hybrids" tremendously confuses the issue. This is dealt with in different ways for different species. Hybrid orangutans are still considered covered under these rules. I know of no tortoise hybrids of the affected species, so this hasn't come up yet. Anyone else have other reptile or invert precedent?</blockquote>

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